Right wing smear tactics against Khashoggi

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An embassy or consulate is involuable, not sovereign, according to the Vienna Convention. Basically this means that local nationals cannot enter a foreign countries' diplomatic mission without obtaining permission by the mission's government. It has nothing to do with criminal law.

If someone breaks national law within an embassy or consulate, they can be prosecuted under local national law UNLESS they have diplomatic immunity. In the case of the Saudi consulate, the 15 Saudi operatives who flew in just prior to Khashoggi's murder would not have diplomatic immunity. Local hires within the consulate would also not have immunity.

If a US Embassy or Consulate were considered sovereign, the Marines posted would be tasked to guard the safety of the facility and people within it. That is not the case. Marines guarding US Embassies and Consulates are only tasked with guarding the classified material located within the structure.
KnotaDinghy wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:23 pm A part of the Embassy can break the law of the country the Embassy or Consulate is in.

Embassy has been defined as the people not the building. Yet the building and grounds are still afforded rights to the country utilizing them. It is the head of the diplomatic Embassy to ensure if laws are broken, the criminal is held accountable table. And should allow entrance to the host cou try's law enforcement. Yet, that isn't always the case.

In this particular case - Saudi Arabia and Thrkey are working together to investigate. They are interviewing witnesses, analyzing samples, searching woods. But only because SA allowed them entry and agreed to work with them.

The US still grants Embassies here the concept of sovereignty. We should not overstep our bounds in this investigation.
msb64 wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:57 pm
KnotaDinghy wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:57 pm Not more valuable by any means.
His life was (is) valuable and what happened needs to be discovered.

But as a country we cannot dictate to other countries how they investigate the murder (disappearance) of one of their citizens in their own country. We can request information but not demand or direct.
An embassy, or consulate in this case, is not considered "sovereign soil". You cannot break the laws of a host country within a consulate or embassy.
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Exactly.

I'm not sure if this would have even gotten a mention of a story if Khashoggi hadn't worked for a left biased news service.

I still am annoyed how the Obama Administration and Democrats took James Foley being beheaded a tad lightly.
Billie.jeens wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:55 pm Or the USA.
KnotaDinghy wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:14 pm Well, President Trump has walked this line well - demanding answers, requesting evidence, sending Pompeo.

And now we know for sure he was killed. And who killed him. Doubtful we will ever know the full details but since the head of intelligence and a senior advisor to the crown prince were there - the details really don't matter. The royal family will be well insulated.

And has nothing to do with President Trump.
Billie.jeens wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:26 pm None of these people care about this guy.

They see a chance to smear President Trump, that's all.

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KnotaDinghy wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:21 pm Exactly.

I'm not sure if this would have even gotten a mention of a story if Khashoggi hadn't worked for a left biased news service.

I still am annoyed how the Obama Administration and Democrats took James Foley being beheaded a tad lightly.
Billie.jeens wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:55 pm Or the USA.
KnotaDinghy wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:14 pm Well, President Trump has walked this line well - demanding answers, requesting evidence, sending Pompeo.

And now we know for sure he was killed. And who killed him. Doubtful we will ever know the full details but since the head of intelligence and a senior advisor to the crown prince were there - the details really don't matter. The royal family will be well insulated.

And has nothing to do with President Trump.

Are you kidding? Of course this would have gotten the attention.

BTW, the guy who killed Foley was killed in a drone strike.
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KnotaDinghy wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:14 pm Well, President Trump has walked this line well - demanding answers, requesting evidence, sending Pompeo.

And now we know for sure he was killed. And who killed him. Doubtful we will ever know the full details but since the head of intelligence and a senior advisor to the crown prince were there - the details really don't matter. The royal family will be well insulated.

And has nothing to do with President Trump.
Billie.jeens wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:26 pm None of these people care about this guy.

They see a chance to smear President Trump, that's all.
KnotaDinghy wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:23 pm A part of the Embassy can break the law of the country the Embassy or Consulate is in.

Embassy has been defined as the people not the building. Yet the building and grounds are still afforded rights to the country utilizing them. It is the head of the diplomatic Embassy to ensure if laws are broken, the criminal is held accountable table. And should allow entrance to the host cou try's law enforcement. Yet, that isn't always the case.

In this particular case - Saudi Arabia and Thrkey are working together to investigate. They are interviewing witnesses, analyzing samples, searching woods. But only because SA allowed them entry and agreed to work with them.

The US still grants Embassies here the concept of sovereignty. We should not overstep our bounds in this investigation.
They’ll be well insulated in their own evaluations of themselves, but it seems exceedingly unlikely these senior government officials who are close to MBS were there just to interrogate him, and his death was some kind of a resulting freak accident. They also might not be well insulated depending on what other country’s intelligence end up stating.

Trump is involved based on how its responded to.
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Thanks to British Intelligence then the collective drone strike.

The fact that he was hunted down, as Cameron proclaimed he would be, does not change the almost off-handed way the Obama Administration reacted to his death.

They issued an award for the identity of 'John' but not because of Jimmy, because there were 2 others and then they extended it to any information about anyone killed.

British Intelligence stepped up with this one. Not the Obama Administration.
msb64 wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:30 pm
KnotaDinghy wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:21 pm Exactly.

I'm not sure if this would have even gotten a mention of a story if Khashoggi hadn't worked for a left biased news service.

I still am annoyed how the Obama Administration and Democrats took James Foley being beheaded a tad lightly.
Billie.jeens wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:55 pm Or the USA.

Are you kidding? Of course this would have gotten the attention.

BTW, the guy who killed Foley was killed in a drone strike.
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I don't see this as a right vs. left issue.

I think it's something we have to find out the truth about and make changes aimed at making our citizens and residents safe, while at the same time treading carefully to avoid further financial troubles affecting our citizens and residents as well.
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