Right wing smear tactics against Khashoggi

[MonarchMom]

Conservative commentators are mounting a whispering campaign against Jamal Khashoggi to protect President Trump from criticism of his handling of the dissident journalist’s alleged murder by operatives of Saudi Arabia.

Some Conservative House Republicans allied with Trump has been privately exchanging articles from right-wing outlets that fuel suspicion of Khashoggi, highlighting his association with the Muslim Brotherhood in his youth and raising conspiratorial questions about his work decades ago as an embedded reporter covering Osama bin Laden.

While Khashoggi was once sympathetic to Islamist movements, he moved toward a more liberal, secular point of view, according to experts on the Middle East who have tracked his career. Khashoggi knew bin Laden in the 1980s and 1990s during the civil war in Afghanistan, but his interactions with bin Laden were as a journalist with a point of view who was working with a prized source.

Full story: https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpos ... 78e7f79667

[KnotaDinghy]

I don't know.
Nightly there are news reports here in DC and the continual replaying of him entering the Embassy.

I think it's tricky because whatever happened ( I believe he was murdered) happened on sovereign Saudi Ground and we as a country have no authority. Kashoggi wasn't a US citizen from what's being reported. He was a resident.

I know President Trump demanded that Turkey hand over audio / video footage. I find it VERY strange they have any at all. That makes me question who is really responsible for this man's death. I know it's not confirmed but I have a feeling he was killed. Murdered. I'm the Embassy.

The far right or anyone can whisper. There's lots to whisper about. I just hope the conversation doesn't stop - this man needs justice.

[Lemons]

I don't know.
Nightly there are news reports here in DC and the continual replaying of him entering the Embassy.

I think it's tricky because whatever happened ( I believe he was murdered) happened on sovereign Saudi Ground and we as a country have no authority. Kashoggi wasn't a US citizen from what's being reported. He was a resident.

I know President Trump demanded that Turkey hand over audio / video footage. I find it VERY strange they have any at all. That makes me question who is really responsible for this man's death. I know it's not confirmed but I have a feeling he was killed. Murdered. I'm the Embassy.

The far right or anyone can whisper. There's lots to whisper about. I just hope the conversation doesn't stop - this man needs justice.

Should it really matter whether he was a permanent resident or citizen?

Melania Trump was a permanent resident when she married Trump. Did her life become more valuable once she got that citizenship?

[Billie.jeens]

I don't know.
Nightly there are news reports here in DC and the continual replaying of him entering the Embassy.

I think it's tricky because whatever happened ( I believe he was murdered) happened on sovereign Saudi Ground and we as a country have no authority. Kashoggi wasn't a US citizen from what's being reported. He was a resident.

I know President Trump demanded that Turkey hand over audio / video footage. I find it VERY strange they have any at all. That makes me question who is really responsible for this man's death. I know it's not confirmed but I have a feeling he was killed. Murdered. I'm the Embassy.

The far right or anyone can whisper. There's lots to whisper about. I just hope the conversation doesn't stop - this man needs justice.

Should it really matter whether he was a permanent resident or citizen?

Melania Trump was a permanent resident when she married Trump. Did her life become more valuable once she got that citizenship?

It made it more of our concern if something happened to her in a foreign country.

[KnotaDinghy]

Not more valuable by any means.
His life was (is) valuable and what happened needs to be discovered.

But as a country we cannot dictate to other countries how they investigate the murder (disappearance) of one of their citizens in their own country. We can request information but not demand or direct.

I don't know.
Nightly there are news reports here in DC and the continual replaying of him entering the Embassy.

I think it's tricky because whatever happened ( I believe he was murdered) happened on sovereign Saudi Ground and we as a country have no authority. Kashoggi wasn't a US citizen from what's being reported. He was a resident.

I know President Trump demanded that Turkey hand over audio / video footage. I find it VERY strange they have any at all. That makes me question who is really responsible for this man's death. I know it's not confirmed but I have a feeling he was killed. Murdered. I'm the Embassy.

The far right or anyone can whisper. There's lots to whisper about. I just hope the conversation doesn't stop - this man needs justice.

Should it really matter whether he was a permanent resident or citizen?

Melania Trump was a permanent resident when she married Trump. Did her life become more valuable once she got that citizenship?

[Deleted User 276]

Not more valuable by any means.
His life was (is) valuable and what happened needs to be discovered.

But as a country we cannot dictate to other countries how they investigate the murder (disappearance) of one of their citizens in their own country. We can request information but not demand or direct.

I don't know.
Nightly there are news reports here in DC and the continual replaying of him entering the Embassy.

I think it's tricky because whatever happened ( I believe he was murdered) happened on sovereign Saudi Ground and we as a country have no authority. Kashoggi wasn't a US citizen from what's being reported. He was a resident.

I know President Trump demanded that Turkey hand over audio / video footage. I find it VERY strange they have any at all. That makes me question who is really responsible for this man's death. I know it's not confirmed but I have a feeling he was killed. Murdered. I'm the Embassy.

The far right or anyone can whisper. There's lots to whisper about. I just hope the conversation doesn't stop - this man needs justice.

Should it really matter whether he was a permanent resident or citizen?

Melania Trump was a permanent resident when she married Trump. Did her life become more valuable once she got that citizenship?

An embassy, or consulate in this case, is not considered "sovereign soil". You cannot break the laws of a host country within a consulate or embassy.

[KnotaDinghy]

A part of the Embassy can break the law of the country the Embassy or Consulate is in.

Embassy has been defined as the people not the building. Yet the building and grounds are still afforded rights to the country utilizing them. It is the head of the diplomatic Embassy to ensure if laws are broken, the criminal is held accountable table. And should allow entrance to the host cou try's law enforcement. Yet, that isn't always the case.

In this particular case - Saudi Arabia and Thrkey are working together to investigate. They are interviewing witnesses, analyzing samples, searching woods. But only because SA allowed them entry and agreed to work with them.

The US still grants Embassies here the concept of sovereignty. We should not overstep our bounds in this investigation.

Not more valuable by any means.
His life was (is) valuable and what happened needs to be discovered.

But as a country we cannot dictate to other countries how they investigate the murder (disappearance) of one of their citizens in their own country. We can request information but not demand or direct.

Should it really matter whether he was a permanent resident or citizen?

Melania Trump was a permanent resident when she married Trump. Did her life become more valuable once she got that citizenship?

An embassy, or consulate in this case, is not considered "sovereign soil". You cannot break the laws of a host country within a consulate or embassy.

[Billie.jeens]

None of these people care about this guy.

They see a chance to smear President Trump, that's all.

A part of the Embassy can break the law of the country the Embassy or Consulate is in.

Embassy has been defined as the people not the building. Yet the building and grounds are still afforded rights to the country utilizing them. It is the head of the diplomatic Embassy to ensure if laws are broken, the criminal is held accountable table. And should allow entrance to the host cou try's law enforcement. Yet, that isn't always the case.

In this particular case - Saudi Arabia and Thrkey are working together to investigate. They are interviewing witnesses, analyzing samples, searching woods. But only because SA allowed them entry and agreed to work with them.

The US still grants Embassies here the concept of sovereignty. We should not overstep our bounds in this investigation.

Not more valuable by any means.
His life was (is) valuable and what happened needs to be discovered.

But as a country we cannot dictate to other countries how they investigate the murder (disappearance) of one of their citizens in their own country. We can request information but not demand or direct.

An embassy, or consulate in this case, is not considered "sovereign soil". You cannot break the laws of a host country within a consulate or embassy.

[KnotaDinghy]

Well, President Trump has walked this line well - demanding answers, requesting evidence, sending Pompeo.

And now we know for sure he was killed. And who killed him. Doubtful we will ever know the full details but since the head of intelligence and a senior advisor to the crown prince were there - the details really don't matter. The royal family will be well insulated.

And has nothing to do with President Trump.

None of these people care about this guy.

They see a chance to smear President Trump, that's all.

A part of the Embassy can break the law of the country the Embassy or Consulate is in.

Embassy has been defined as the people not the building. Yet the building and grounds are still afforded rights to the country utilizing them. It is the head of the diplomatic Embassy to ensure if laws are broken, the criminal is held accountable table. And should allow entrance to the host cou try's law enforcement. Yet, that isn't always the case.

In this particular case - Saudi Arabia and Thrkey are working together to investigate. They are interviewing witnesses, analyzing samples, searching woods. But only because SA allowed them entry and agreed to work with them.

The US still grants Embassies here the concept of sovereignty. We should not overstep our bounds in this investigation.

An embassy, or consulate in this case, is not considered "sovereign soil". You cannot break the laws of a host country within a consulate or embassy.

[Billie.jeens]

Or the USA.

Well, President Trump has walked this line well - demanding answers, requesting evidence, sending Pompeo.

And now we know for sure he was killed. And who killed him. Doubtful we will ever know the full details but since the head of intelligence and a senior advisor to the crown prince were there - the details really don't matter. The royal family will be well insulated.

And has nothing to do with President Trump.

None of these people care about this guy.

They see a chance to smear President Trump, that's all.

A part of the Embassy can break the law of the country the Embassy or Consulate is in.

Embassy has been defined as the people not the building. Yet the building and grounds are still afforded rights to the country utilizing them. It is the head of the diplomatic Embassy to ensure if laws are broken, the criminal is held accountable table. And should allow entrance to the host cou try's law enforcement. Yet, that isn't always the case.

In this particular case - Saudi Arabia and Thrkey are working together to investigate. They are interviewing witnesses, analyzing samples, searching woods. But only because SA allowed them entry and agreed to work with them.

The US still grants Embassies here the concept of sovereignty. We should not overstep our bounds in this investigation.