Mega-pastor marital advice

[SouthernIslander]

In general, some people prefer more traditional roles in their marriage and that is their right.

I agree and in my marriage that was a choice I made. I do find it cringy though when traditional role is described as a subservient and submissive and when women are not given a choice (at least not Biblically) if that makes sense. IMO, women from birth should not be told that their purpose is to be a helper to their future husband and to be submissive to him. If they choose to be in a traditional marriage, super but I think that being the expectation makes girls and women vulnerable to abuse and we've certainly seen evidence of this abuse within the more fundamental denominations.

Submissive doesn’t bother me…..but subservient is some bullshit.

[Della]

My ex husband was raised Southern Baptist. He use to quote the Bible to me, "wives be submissive to your husbands". He ALWAYS left out the rest.

Yeah, that’s a common refrain. One of my good friends’ husband used that as justification for him cheating on her. There’s tons of Christian marriage and S*x advice books that promote this idea. It’s terrible, and many are dealing with the ramifications and harm from decades of terrible “biblical” teachings. I’m sorry you had to deal with it as well.

He used it to cheat and do other things . I found out later that he had done the same to his first two wives. It's a terrible interpretation of Scripture. Thank you.

[WellPreserved]

In general, some people prefer more traditional roles in their marriage and that is their right.

I agree and in my marriage that was a choice I made. I do find it cringy though when traditional role is described as a subservient and submissive and when women are not given a choice (at least not Biblically) if that makes sense. IMO, women from birth should not be told that their purpose is to be a helper to their future husband and to be submissive to him. If they choose to be in a traditional marriage, super but I think that being the expectation makes girls and women vulnerable to abuse and we've certainly seen evidence of this abuse within the more fundamental denominations.

Submissive doesn’t bother me…..but subservient is some bullshit.

I don't think the purpose of articles like this is to change individual's minds but rather to inform that when Christian Nationalists claim that they want the US to be a Christian nation and laws reflect that and when some members of congress call for the collapse of separation of church and state, they are speaking about a fundamentalist Christian nation. What will the role of women be?

[mommy_jules]

I agree and in my marriage that was a choice I made. I do find it cringy though when traditional role is described as a subservient and submissive and when women are not given a choice (at least not Biblically) if that makes sense. IMO, women from birth should not be told that their purpose is to be a helper to their future husband and to be submissive to him. If they choose to be in a traditional marriage, super but I think that being the expectation makes girls and women vulnerable to abuse and we've certainly seen evidence of this abuse within the more fundamental denominations.

Submissive doesn’t bother me…..but subservient is some bullshit.

I don't think the purpose of articles like this is to change individual's minds but rather to inform that when Christian Nationalists claim that they want the US to be a Christian nation and laws reflect that and when some members of congress call for the collapse of separation of church and state, they are speaking about a fundamentalist Christian nation. What will the role of women be?

https://x.com/examiningmoscow/status/15 ... JJp08VIsbg

[WellPreserved]

Submissive doesn’t bother me…..but subservient is some bullshit.

I don't think the purpose of articles like this is to change individual's minds but rather to inform that when Christian Nationalists claim that they want the US to be a Christian nation and laws reflect that and when some members of congress call for the collapse of separation of church and state, they are speaking about a fundamentalist Christian nation. What will the role of women be?

https://x.com/examiningmoscow/status/15 ... JJp08VIsbg

Ugh. We are already seeing conservative states chipping away at women's rights and Project 2024 certainly does that in spades. "Project 2024" policy agenda is to entrench the white Christian patriarchy so why shouldn't we believe them?

[mommy_jules]

I don't think the purpose of articles like this is to change individual's minds but rather to inform that when Christian Nationalists claim that they want the US to be a Christian nation and laws reflect that and when some members of congress call for the collapse of separation of church and state, they are speaking about a fundamentalist Christian nation. What will the role of women be?

https://x.com/examiningmoscow/status/15 ... JJp08VIsbg

Ugh. We are already seeing conservative states chipping away at women's rights and Project 2024 certainly does that in spades. "Project 2024" policy agenda is to entrench the white Christian patriarchy so why shouldn't we believe them?

Yep. I feel like more people should be concerned. I get that people don’t want to criticize how one religion practices their religion or whatever, but these beliefs or the men who believe these highly patriarchal things are behind so much of what is driving our politics and culture wars at the moment. I’d also like to point out for those who aren’t familiar with the dynamics of this space that Shelia Gregoire, Dr. Jay Strinnger, Rick Pidcock, and April Ajoy (people either quoted or wrote an article in OP or the one I posted) are Christians. This isn’t people on the outside criticizing those on the inside. The criticism is coming from the inside…people who are part of or have been apart of the white evangelical bubble. These are people who have witnessed harm by these teachings or at least help those who have been harmed.

[Della]

Submissive doesn’t bother me…..but subservient is some bullshit.

I don't think the purpose of articles like this is to change individual's minds but rather to inform that when Christian Nationalists claim that they want the US to be a Christian nation and laws reflect that and when some members of congress call for the collapse of separation of church and state, they are speaking about a fundamentalist Christian nation. What will the role of women be?

https://x.com/examiningmoscow/status/15 ... JJp08VIsbg

Ick.

I checked his Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Case_ ... ationalism

I really worry that these numbskulls will convince Trump to carry out their plans. That's not an America I want to see.

[mommy_jules]

https://x.com/examiningmoscow/status/15 ... JJp08VIsbg

Ugh. We are already seeing conservative states chipping away at women's rights and Project 2024 certainly does that in spades. "Project 2024" policy agenda is to entrench the white Christian patriarchy so why shouldn't we believe them?

Yep. I feel like more people should be concerned. I get that people don’t want to criticize how one religion practices their religion or whatever, but these beliefs or the men who believe these highly patriarchal things are behind so much of what is driving our politics and culture wars at the moment. I’d also like to point out for those who aren’t familiar with the dynamics of this space that Shelia Gregoire, Dr. Jay Strinnger, Rick Pidcock, and April Ajoy (people either quoted or wrote an article in OP or the one I posted) are Christians. This isn’t people on the outside criticizing those on the inside. The criticism is coming from the inside…people who are part of or have been apart of the white evangelical bubble. These are people who have witnessed harm by these teachings or at least help those who have been harmed.

https://x.com/sheilagregoire/status/177 ... JJp08VIsbg

[WellPreserved]

https://x.com/examiningmoscow/status/15 ... JJp08VIsbg

Ugh. We are already seeing conservative states chipping away at women's rights and Project 2024 certainly does that in spades. "Project 2024" policy agenda is to entrench the white Christian patriarchy so why shouldn't we believe them?

Yep. I feel like more people should be concerned. I get that people don’t want to criticize how one religion practices their religion or whatever, but these beliefs or the men who believe these highly patriarchal things are behind so much of what is driving our politics and culture wars at the moment. I’d also like to point out for those who aren’t familiar with the dynamics of this space that Shelia Gregoire, Dr. Jay Strinnger, Rick Pidcock, and April Ajoy (people either quoted or wrote an article in OP or the one I posted) are Christians. This isn’t people on the outside criticizing those on the inside. The criticism is coming from the inside…people who are part of or have been apart of the white evangelical bubble. These are people who have witnessed harm by these teachings or at least help those who have been harmed.

I think when a country with a large patriarchy religious voting block, blurs the separation of church and state, gives corporations and businesses religious rights, and gives businesses the ability to discriminate based on religious freedom, one is automatically going to see the rights of women get whittled away. The alarm has sounded and we're already seeing it and it frustrates me that so many women are totally okay with that. I think often that women may agree in principal and in practice as long as it doesn't affect them. I mean, denying a same S*x couple a wedding cake "seems" appropriate based on religious freedom but that logically translates to denying a woman credit or home loan or promotion into position of leadership, denying adoption to single women or families of other faiths, denying housing to single mothers, etc. based on that same religious freedom. If our government itself becomes a religious institution, this discrimination against women will be federal.

Read an article recently that young adult men are becoming more politically conservative while young adult women are becoming more liberal. This is happening worldwide, not just in the US. This too should concern all women.

[SouthernIslander]

I agree and in my marriage that was a choice I made. I do find it cringy though when traditional role is described as a subservient and submissive and when women are not given a choice (at least not Biblically) if that makes sense. IMO, women from birth should not be told that their purpose is to be a helper to their future husband and to be submissive to him. If they choose to be in a traditional marriage, super but I think that being the expectation makes girls and women vulnerable to abuse and we've certainly seen evidence of this abuse within the more fundamental denominations.

Submissive doesn’t bother me…..but subservient is some bullshit.

I don't think the purpose of articles like this is to change individual's minds but rather to inform that when Christian Nationalists claim that they want the US to be a Christian nation and laws reflect that and when some members of congress call for the collapse of separation of church and state, they are speaking about a fundamentalist Christian nation. What will the role of women be?

Submissive doesn’t bother me but subservient sounds horrible.

I got stuck on the “obey” part when I got married.