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Re: Frozen embryos are ‘children,’ Alabama Supreme Court rules in couples’ wrongful death suits

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:59 pm
by mommy_jules
mommy_jules wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:55 pm
The anti-abortion movement first started comparing abortion to slavery following the passage of Roe. v Wade in the 1970s, in an attempt to link their campaigns to civil and human rights work. In the wake of the Trump administration’s support of the anti-abortion movement, a new generation of White male conservative Baptists, Presbyterians, and Christian Reconstructionists joined forces to advance the total criminalization of abortion. Referring to themselves as abortion abolitionists, this movement distinguishes itself from the self-proclaimed pro-life movement. Their leaders criticize this movement for being reformist, compromising with the Supreme Court (which they view as tyrannical and secular), and for failing to observe a conservative interpretation of the bible that calls for equal protection for the “pre-born.”
https://politicalresearch.org/2023/10/2 ... litionists
Abortion abolitionists have strong ties with other sectors of the Far Right. They are deeply connected to segments of the Christian Right based on shared belief systems and membership. The movement draws on a theocratic reading of scripture known as Christian Reconstructionism, which advocates for Biblical law.
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Re: Frozen embryos are ‘children,’ Alabama Supreme Court rules in couples’ wrongful death suits

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:31 pm
by Francee89
KendallsMom wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:27 am Please vote wisely ladies.
Yup. This isn’t some sort of fringe position - right now there are 125 House Republican cosponsors (of 219 of them) for the Life at Conception Act, which would “implement equal protection under the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution for the right to life of each born and preborn human person”, with human person defined as “each and every member of the species homo sapiens at all stages of life, including the moment of fertilization”. If anything like that was to ever pass and be signed into law, it could and would be used to restrict IVF (and abortion/contraception) federally.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-con ... o?s=1&r=67

Re: Frozen embryos are ‘children,’ Alabama Supreme Court rules in couples’ wrongful death suits

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 9:45 pm
by Momto2boys973
Agreed
Lexy wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:57 pm You can be pro-life and still understand that this is just ridiculous.

Re: Frozen embryos are ‘children,’ Alabama Supreme Court rules in couples’ wrongful death suits

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 9:57 pm
by WellPreserved

Re: Frozen embryos are ‘children,’ Alabama Supreme Court rules in couples’ wrongful death suits

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:56 pm
by Francee89
WellPreserved wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 9:57 pm
I know he’s fully aware of what he’s doing overall here (as in, working to advance his anti-reproductive choice agenda), but I’d bet money on the fact that this moron doesn’t have the slightest idea what IVF actually is.

One of the reporters speaking to him wrote about this conversation, and the lead in to her article on it it is “in the span of three minutes, the GOP senator said he was “all for it,” didn’t agree with it, supports IVF and just needs to read the bill. (There is no bill.)”: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tommy-tu ... 1f2f7b1a81

Re: Frozen embryos are ‘children,’ Alabama Supreme Court rules in couples’ wrongful death suits

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:10 pm
by WellPreserved
Francee89 wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:56 pm
WellPreserved wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 9:57 pm
I know he’s fully aware of what he’s doing overall here (as in, working to advance his anti-reproductive choice agenda), but I’d bet money on the fact that this moron doesn’t have the slightest idea what IVF actually is.

One of the reporters speaking to him wrote about this conversation, and the lead in to her article on it it is “in the span of three minutes, the GOP senator said he was “all for it,” didn’t agree with it, supports IVF and just needs to read the bill. (There is no bill.)”: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tommy-tu ... 1f2f7b1a81
I agree and thanks for the link to the article.

How many times did he say "we need to have more kids"? This is the hope of the GOP. Let's get American women starting to produce more kids🤢

Re: Frozen embryos are ‘children,’ Alabama Supreme Court rules in couples’ wrongful death suits

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:34 pm
by jessilin0113
WellPreserved wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:10 pm
Francee89 wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:56 pm
WellPreserved wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 9:57 pm
I know he’s fully aware of what he’s doing overall here (as in, working to advance his anti-reproductive choice agenda), but I’d bet money on the fact that this moron doesn’t have the slightest idea what IVF actually is.

One of the reporters speaking to him wrote about this conversation, and the lead in to her article on it it is “in the span of three minutes, the GOP senator said he was “all for it,” didn’t agree with it, supports IVF and just needs to read the bill. (There is no bill.)”: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tommy-tu ... 1f2f7b1a81
I agree and thanks for the link to the article.

How many times did he say "we need to have more kids"? This is the hope of the GOP. Let's get American women starting to produce more kids🤢
It's almost not a stretch of the imagination to expect them to pass a law demanding all current frozen embryos get implanted

Re: Frozen embryos are ‘children,’ Alabama Supreme Court rules in couples’ wrongful death suits

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:43 pm
by Francee89
WellPreserved wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:10 pm
Francee89 wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:56 pm
WellPreserved wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 9:57 pm
I know he’s fully aware of what he’s doing overall here (as in, working to advance his anti-reproductive choice agenda), but I’d bet money on the fact that this moron doesn’t have the slightest idea what IVF actually is.

One of the reporters speaking to him wrote about this conversation, and the lead in to her article on it it is “in the span of three minutes, the GOP senator said he was “all for it,” didn’t agree with it, supports IVF and just needs to read the bill. (There is no bill.)”: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tommy-tu ... 1f2f7b1a81
I agree and thanks for the link to the article.

How many times did he say "we need to have more kids"? This is the hope of the GOP. Let's get American women starting to produce more kids🤢
The fact that he initially approved of the decision and jumped into the tangent about having kids made me wonder whether he was pleased at the thought they banned IUDs…

Re: Frozen embryos are ‘children,’ Alabama Supreme Court rules in couples’ wrongful death suits

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 6:55 am
by MonarchMom
Alabama Chief Justice Tom Parker indicated on the show he was a proponent of the “Seven Mountains Mandate,” an explicitly theocratic doctrine at the heart of Christian nationalism.
Alabama Chief Justice Tom Parker, who wrote the concurring opinion in last week’s explosive Alabama Supreme Court ruling that frozen embryos have the same rights as living children, recently appeared on a show hosted by self-anointed “prophet” and QAnon conspiracy theorist.

Parker was the featured guest on “Someone You Should Know,” hosted by Johnny Enlow, a Christian nationalist influencer and devoted supporter of former President Donald Trump. Over the course of an 11-minute interview, Parker articulated a theocratic worldview at odds with a functioning, pluralistic society.

“Human life cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring the wrath of a holy God,” wrote Parker, a longtime anti-abortion advocate sometimes credited with building the legal framework to overturn Roe v. Wade. “Even before birth,” Parker added, “all human beings have the image of God, and their lives cannot be destroyed without effacing his glory.”

Parker used similar theological language in his interview with Enlow, thanking Enlow for promoting the “Seven Mountains” on his show. A

“Seven Mountains Mandate” is a doctrine at the core of the New Apostolic Reformation, an evangelical movement that believes in the supernatural, including the existence of modern-day apostles and prophets, and which is characterized by a belief in Christian dominionism. The Seven Mountains Mandate is the belief that Christians must conquer the “seven mountains” of societal influence — education, media, religion, family, business, entertainment and government — and force fundamentalist Christian values onto every part of American life, in order to pave the path for Christ’s return.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tom-park ... 1f2f7b3e26

Re: Frozen embryos are ‘children,’ Alabama Supreme Court rules in couples’ wrongful death suits

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 12:01 pm
by Francee89
Embryo shipping services have now said they’ll stop transporting embryos out of Alabama, so even people with the means to try to seek treatment elsewhere can’t. Starting over would involve time, pain and significant expense - not just on the actual drugs and transfer, but also accommodations, time off work, etc.