Former Gun Company Executive Explains Roots of America’s Gun Violence Epidemic

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What caused the radicalization?


It was a combination of factors. After Columbine in 1999, the National Rifle Association in very well-publicized meetings now, thanks to sleuthing and digging by reporters at NPR, we now have tapes of the meetings where they literally said, are we going to be part of the solution here? Or maybe we can use these things to drum up hate and fear in our members? We might even be able to use them to drive membership. And they chose the latter. They perfected that system for about seven or eight years, getting their feet underneath them. They figured out it can drive politics. And then an explosion hit. That explosion was the future Black president leading in the polls in 2007. And then Barack Obama won in 2008. So you have this sort of uncapping of hate and conspiracy, much of it racially driven, that the NRA was tapping into. Prior to 2007, people in the United States never purchased more than 7 million guns in a single year. By the time Barack Obama left office, the United States was purchasing almost 17 million guns a year. And so I think it’s impossible to discount the degree to which Obama’s presidency lit this whole thing on fire."

https://www.propublica.org/article/ryan ... n-violence
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Maybe it was racism… or maybe it was terrorism kicking off and lots of people believing Obama was making things worse…


https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023 ... -terrorist
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Bobcobbagob wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:40 am Maybe it was racism… or maybe it was terrorism kicking off and lots of people believing Obama was making things worse…


https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023 ... -terrorist
What are you talking about?
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Della wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:45 am
Bobcobbagob wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:40 am Maybe it was racism… or maybe it was terrorism kicking off and lots of people believing Obama was making things worse…


https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023 ... -terrorist
What are you talking about?
People started buying a lot more guns because in Obama’s terms there was an extremely elevated environment of fear catapulted by terrorism.
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Bobcobbagob wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:00 am
Della wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:45 am
Bobcobbagob wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:40 am Maybe it was racism… or maybe it was terrorism kicking off and lots of people believing Obama was making things worse…


https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023 ... -terrorist
What are you talking about?
People started buying a lot more guns because in Obama’s terms there was an extremely elevated environment of fear catapulted by terrorism.
"That explosion was the future Black president leading in the polls in 2007. And then Barack Obama won in 2008. So you have this sort of uncapping of hate and conspiracy, much of it racially driven,"
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Della wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:21 am
Bobcobbagob wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:00 am
Della wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:45 am

What are you talking about?
People started buying a lot more guns because in Obama’s terms there was an extremely elevated environment of fear catapulted by terrorism.
"That explosion was the future Black president leading in the polls in 2007. And then Barack Obama won in 2008. So you have this sort of uncapping of hate and conspiracy, much of it racially driven,"
Yes… the writer thinks that.


What do you think?


Is it more plausible that vapid racism led to the massive armament of America, or do you think the frequency of terror attacks and threats increased the fear Americans felt leading them to increase the amount of perceived protection they had available to them ?
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Bobcobbagob wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:36 am Yes… the writer thinks that.

What do you think?

Is it more plausible that vapid racism led to the massive armament of America, or do you think the frequency of terror attacks and threats increased the fear Americans felt leading them to increase the amount of perceived protection they had available to them ?
"Did terrorist attacks increase while Obama was president?

No, terrorist attacks did not increase when Obama became president. In fact, the number of terrorist attacks worldwide decreased by 17% during his first term in office. This is according to a report by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START). The report found that the number of terrorist attacks worldwide decreased from 11,770 in 2009 to 9,921 in 2013. The report also found that the number of people killed in terrorist attacks decreased by 25% during this same period."


Is this what you mean?
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SallyMae wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:58 am
Bobcobbagob wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:36 am Yes… the writer thinks that.

What do you think?

Is it more plausible that vapid racism led to the massive armament of America, or do you think the frequency of terror attacks and threats increased the fear Americans felt leading them to increase the amount of perceived protection they had available to them ?
"Did terrorist attacks increase while Obama was president?

No, terrorist attacks did not increase when Obama became president. In fact, the number of terrorist attacks worldwide decreased by 17% during his first term in office. This is according to a report by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START). The report found that the number of terrorist attacks worldwide decreased from 11,770 in 2009 to 9,921 in 2013. The report also found that the number of people killed in terrorist attacks decreased by 25% during this same period."


Is this what you mean?
I didn’t say they increased with Obama to begin with… it started with Bush and his color coded days… red today, yellow tomorrow…


That environment put people into fear, then When Obama came in his methodology when it came to handling terrorism made people think he was making severely wrong decisions.
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Bobcobbagob wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:05 am
SallyMae wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:58 am
Bobcobbagob wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:36 am Yes… the writer thinks that.

What do you think?

Is it more plausible that vapid racism led to the massive armament of America, or do you think the frequency of terror attacks and threats increased the fear Americans felt leading them to increase the amount of perceived protection they had available to them ?
"Did terrorist attacks increase while Obama was president?

No, terrorist attacks did not increase when Obama became president. In fact, the number of terrorist attacks worldwide decreased by 17% during his first term in office. This is according to a report by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START). The report found that the number of terrorist attacks worldwide decreased from 11,770 in 2009 to 9,921 in 2013. The report also found that the number of people killed in terrorist attacks decreased by 25% during this same period."


Is this what you mean?
I didn’t say they increased with Obama to begin with… it started with Bush and his color coded days… red today, yellow tomorrow…


That environment put people into fear, then When Obama came in his methodology when it came to handling terrorism made people think he was making severely wrong decisions.
So people started buying guns to defend themselves against terrorist attacks when Obama became president because they thought he was making terrorism worse (even though he wasn't)?
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SallyMae wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:22 am
Bobcobbagob wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:05 am
SallyMae wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:58 am

"Did terrorist attacks increase while Obama was president?

No, terrorist attacks did not increase when Obama became president. In fact, the number of terrorist attacks worldwide decreased by 17% during his first term in office. This is according to a report by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START). The report found that the number of terrorist attacks worldwide decreased from 11,770 in 2009 to 9,921 in 2013. The report also found that the number of people killed in terrorist attacks decreased by 25% during this same period."


Is this what you mean?
I didn’t say they increased with Obama to begin with… it started with Bush and his color coded days… red today, yellow tomorrow…


That environment put people into fear, then When Obama came in his methodology when it came to handling terrorism made people think he was making severely wrong decisions.
So people started buying guns to defend themselves against terrorist attacks when Obama became president because they thought he was making terrorism worse (even though he wasn't)?
People started buying guns to protect themselves at an increased rate when Bush was president… that rolling ball kept going and getting bigger when Obama was president because a large amount of people felt that his leadership was funding certain terrorist groups in order to stop other terrorists groups. And they thought that would lead to more attacks… videos of people in the Middle East shouting “Death to America” and burning the flag was almost a daily news story… don’t get me wrong, it’s partly the medias fault too.


( and no, this had nothing to do with what Trump ever said because it was pre-trump)
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