It’s a downright lie that Israel was formed by a bunch of Europeans that arrived after 1948 to take away the land of those poor Palestinians. Jews were living in what was then the British Mandate of Palestine since ancient times. There were “Palestinian” Jews as well because they were born and lived in the region known as Palestine. But they were under British rule. Just as the people of Galicia are called “Gallegos”, but are Spanish subjects.
The war of 1948 shouldn’t have happened, and if it had been up for the Jewish settlers it wouldn’t have happened. Israel declared its Independence on May 14, 1948 and the next day a coalition of Arab States launched an attack on Israel to destroy it. Yes, Israel retained control of the land given to it after the partition and acquired control of other areas. If the Palestinian Arabs had declared their independence back then in their land, there wouldn’t have been a problem. But they preferred to try to destroy the Jewish side of the partition. But hey, don’t go into a war if you’re not prepared to face the consequences . Capturing territory by war is a legitimate way of acquiring land. Or are you suggesting the US should give Mexico all the land it acquired as a result of the Mexican American War?
And again, why is there a Palestinian state in Gaza right now? Because Israel gave up that land. And try researching a bit about “peace for land” and how many times Israel offered to give up land in exchange for peace and it was rejected. In 1967 it offered to give up the Sinai and the Golan areas, only to have the response from the Arab states be “no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it”.
And even Netanyahu, that apparently evil villain said so himself: “If the Arabs lay down their arms there will be no more war, but if Israel lays down its weapons there would be no more Israel.” True words, who has broken every single ceasefire? Hamas.
War is never pretty and sometimes wrongs are committed. But educate yourself a bit more and you’ll realize that this war is quite a bit more one sided than you think.Then maybe we can debate some of these horrible genocide crimes that you claim Israel has done in more detail.
Baconqueen13 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:09 pmBullshit. Try going back to the 1948 war don't play the bullshit of "Palestine was never a state until 1988". That's disingenuous and you know it. And Yes BOTH groups have sought to expel the other violently since before the British Mandate expired in 1948. BOTH are guilty of atrocities. PERIODMomto2boys973 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:39 pm Israel has never taken any land from Palestinians, because the State of Palestine didn’t exist until 1988. As I explained, the disputed areas of the West Bank belonged to Jordan before Israel captured them during the Six Day War of 1967. The Gaza Strip was captured from Egypt.
And if Israel wants more land from Palestine, why it that it voluntarily and unilaterally dismantled all its settlements in the Gaza Strip? Many Israeli settler were forced to leave and relocate. If there’s a Palestine today, it was because of this. But what did the Palestinian people did? Chose a terrorist group, Hamas, as their government. A group that, as I mentioned in another has a charter that says, amongst other things that, “There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.” and “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).”
I mean, let’s look at facts. If Israel wanted the same, Palestine would be no more. Truth is, they have the military capacity to obliterate Palestine, they way Palestine wishes to obliterate Israel. But instead, Israel voluntarily gave up land it legitimately acquired during the Six Day War in order to form the State of Palestine.
And both have committed atrocities? Well, sometimes that happens with war, yes. But you can’t compare. Hamas constantly attacks Israel with rockets aimed at civilian populations. And launches them from civilian targets in Gaza, mainly hospitals and schools. Why? Because it’s win-win for them. Israel is actually very hesitant to counterattack because they know civilians are packed in there by Hamas to up the number of victims of Israel’s “genocide”, but at some point, Israel has to protect its citizens and its country. What do you think America would do if, let’s say Mexico fired 1,200 rockets at the civilian population in just a few days? Well, Hamas did that at Israel- from the land that Israel willingly gave up. There’s a saying that I heard a lot during those days, and it’s very true: Israel fires rockets to protect its people. Hamas uses its people to protect their rockets.
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Baconqueen13 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 2:59 pm Israel and Palestine are BOTH guilty or committing genocide and war crimes against the other in order to try to gain territory and impose illegal settlements in the other's land so NEITHER one should receive any external funding from anyone IMO......frankly though they are both blaming one another for the injustices imposed against them by Britain and the Balfour declaration and they will continue to do so until they pull their heads out of their asses and stop with the zionist/religious bullshit. Are Judaism and Islam not both children of the same God? At this point it's a power grab with religion being used as the easy excuse/trap to justify persecution on BOTH sides and garner support for whichever side....all religion is bullshit anyway....that's why it's so easy to manipulate it for political gain.