NO organization that donates to ANY entity that violate human rights or promotes hate should be able to gain tax deductions on the human suffering they contribute to. The accusations SHOULD be investigated. No Nation should be placed on a pedestal, not the US, not Britain, not France, not Germany, not Spain, not Israel. Human rights are inalienable. There is not a person on this planet who has a right to say which humans should have these rights and which ones shouldn’t.
Momto2boys973 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:28 pm Oh, of course there’s sources of false information, like with every part of history. In the extensive research I made for my thesis I never encountered one single legitimate source that stated that Israel attacked first.
Now, there had been tensions between Jewish and Arab Palestinians for decades, since the Balfour Declaration. So yes, it’s difficult to know who cast the very first stone of conflict. But for the actual war, it wasn’t Israel, history is clear that the day after Israel declared its independence, a coalition of Arab states invaded the newly formed country. That was the first act of official aggression, not individual conflicts between citizens of the region of Palestine.
And, I’m sorry, but you’re absolutely wrong in saying that they’re both EQUALLY to blame and I have given you plenty of facts to show that this isn’t true. Obviously you have gotten your information from very biased sources. But it’s equally obvious that you don’t want to know better, I don’t know why you prefer to remain misinformed of the reality, maybe it’s just that you’re not the kind of person that can accept easily to being wrong and don’t want to face that possibility Because unlike the OP, I don’t think your motivation is antisemitism because you’re not singling out Israel. You’re simply not understanding that it’s not equal, not even close in terms of atrocities, hatred and crimes.
Anyway, as I said before, I’ve been fighting antisemitism and anti Israel lies for long and I know a lost cause amongst the well intentioned, but misinformed. So better leave it at that, I’ll simply respectfully but 100% disagree with your assessment of the situation and move on. It’s OK, no I’ll feelings or anything!
Baconqueen13 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:11 pmHistory states that Israel attacked first in a "pre-emptive" strike. Not really the same as Israel being a poor defenseless victim that happened to overcome. Look we can go on and on about who shot first, who attacked when, but at the end of the day Israel is just as guilty as it's neighboring Arab countries of inciting violence and committing atrocities on the other and Zionism is no different than extreme nationalism exhibited by Germany in the 1930's and 40's and only serves to further perpetuate the violence.Momto2boys973 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:53 pm No, not bullshit. It’s history, do some learning. Palestine wasn’t a country. It was a region under British rule. Galicia is a region in Spain, it doesn’t make it an independent country. And I’m not the one making up a date. It’s a fact, even in Palestine, that it declared its independence November 15, 1988. So where’s the bullshit about that?
It’s a downright lie that Israel was formed by a bunch of Europeans that arrived after 1948 to take away the land of those poor Palestinians. Jews were living in what was then the British Mandate of Palestine since ancient times. There were “Palestinian” Jews as well because they were born and lived in the region known as Palestine. But they were under British rule. Just as the people of Galicia are called “Gallegos”, but are Spanish subjects.
The war of 1948 shouldn’t have happened, and if it had been up for the Jewish settlers it wouldn’t have happened. Israel declared its Independence on May 14, 1948 and the next day a coalition of Arab States launched an attack on Israel to destroy it. Yes, Israel retained control of the land given to it after the partition and acquired control of other areas. If the Palestinian Arabs had declared their independence back then in their land, there wouldn’t have been a problem. But they preferred to try to destroy the Jewish side of the partition. But hey, don’t go into a war if you’re not prepared to face the consequences . Capturing territory by war is a legitimate way of acquiring land. Or are you suggesting the US should give Mexico all the land it acquired as a result of the Mexican American War?
And again, why is there a Palestinian state in Gaza right now? Because Israel gave up that land. And try researching a bit about “peace for land” and how many times Israel offered to give up land in exchange for peace and it was rejected. In 1967 it offered to give up the Sinai and the Golan areas, only to have the response from the Arab states be “no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it”.
And even Netanyahu, that apparently evil villain said so himself: “If the Arabs lay down their arms there will be no more war, but if Israel lays down its weapons there would be no more Israel.” True words, who has broken every single ceasefire? Hamas.
War is never pretty and sometimes wrongs are committed. But educate yourself a bit more and you’ll realize that this war is quite a bit more one sided than you think.Then maybe we can debate some of these horrible genocide crimes that you claim Israel has done in more detail.