Florida bill defines drag shows as ‘serious danger to public health & safety’ for kids

[Deleted User 1990]

Even as a teenager in the San Fernando valley they did…

Now in Arkansas, *looks around*yep… they still do.

Spencer's doesn't have anything behind a curtain or in a separated area.

Every Spencer’s I’ve been in (and I was actually in one not too long ago getting a gag gift) has not had the S*x toy section barricaded. It’s in the very back of the store, but you can walk right up to it.
I remember going as a teenager into that section.

Oh and kids can go into a bar in Florida as well. But obviously cannot drink.

I’ve done spring break in Miami a few times… carded at every bar I went into…

I’m not talking about an Applebees that has a bar section.

[Traci_Momof2]

And you stop acting like all drag shows are the same. It's already been pointed out that drag shows that do contain sexual content already have an age minimum for attendance or already have a warning for parents. Separating kids from the sexual content IS ALREADY HAPPENING without this stupid Florida bill.

But there are also plenty of drag shows out there that are completely appropriate for children. I've been to one. It's literally men dressed up as female music icons (Aretha Franklin, Dolly Parton, Whitney Houston, etc) performing their big hits. Throw in a little humor in between from an MC and that's the show. Nothing wrong if some parents want to bring their kids to it, unless you are going to say there was something inappropriate about Dolly or Whitney themselves.

And that's the point. LET PARENTS CHOOSE. There's already the appropriate warnings and restrictions out there that have always been out there. Let those things stand and let parents choose beyond that. This Florida bill is ridiculously unnecessary. And if you have a problem with the choices that parents make then go yell at those parents if you want to. We all have our own crusade. Mine personally is the parents who choose their addictions over their own children because I think that is 100x more harmful to the children than a bunch of men in drag. But we can't all care about the same thing.

There’s been cities that almost sued Spencer’s for not putting up a barrier soon enough…
https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/city- ... 03286.html


Stop acting like the goal of separating kids from adult sexual pleasures is some new thing…

Are you walking through one right now or just blowing smoke out your ass making shit up because you haven't stepped into one....ever?

Even as a teenager in the San Fernando valley they did…

Now in Arkansas, *looks around*yep… they still do.

[SoFloMom]

Even as a teenager in the San Fernando valley they did…

Now in Arkansas, *looks around*yep… they still do.

Every Spencer’s I’ve been in (and I was actually in one not too long ago getting a gag gift) has not had the S*x toy section barricaded. It’s in the very back of the store, but you can walk right up to it.
I remember going as a teenager into that section.

Oh and kids can go into a bar in Florida as well. But obviously cannot drink.

I’ve done spring break in Miami a few times… carded at every bar I went into…

I’m not talking about an Applebees that has a bar section.

Neither am I.
You were carded because the bar wouldn’t have served you alcohol if you were underage. But there is no law prohibiting a minor from being inside a bar. They just obviously cannot drink.

ETA: and obviously an establishment can choose to deny entry. I keep bringing up legalities because FL is pushing so hard for legalities in one aspect but not keeping that same energy for others.

[Traci_Momof2]

Just like I've seen a hell of a lot of people jump ship from the republican agenda over the past few years because of the ridiculous extremes that the republicans are going to. Both sides are getting too extreme but that's another discussion.

This thread is about a stupid Florida bill, and in the bigger picture parental choice. I may not agree with a parents choice to teach their kids how to handle guns, but I'm not advocating to take that choice away. Others can disagree with a parents choice to take their kids to a PG or even R drag show, but don't take that choice away either. Anyone who is a true advocate for choice would not support this bill.

There’s the realization between the split…

Some people are suggesting that a life skill of being able to hunt and feed yourself, plus the ability to attend political events that shape the nation is bad… has to be outlawed because kids might shoot everyone then become a terrorist if they learn those life skills and adult knowledge too soon.

Some people are suggesting that allowing kids into sexually heavy live shows is bad… has to be outlawed because kids could be made to feel uncomfortable with a dildo at face level, and it’s a horrible idea to give kids that adult knowledge too soon…

Vote, vote, vote… but on a political level, this is making a lot of people jump ship from the democratic agenda because they’re not behind it.

Let me flip it for you.

If that's the difference, one kid knows sexuality and the other kid knows how to gun down 18 people in 30 seconds,
I'm going to teach my kids sexuality.


Just because a parent's choices are different from yours doesn't make them wrong.

Then Holy shit you got some seriously different values to a lot of us…


If that’s the difference, one kid knows how to hunt and the other kid knows how to f**k 18 different ways,


I’m going to teach my kids to hunt…


Jesus Christ in hell…

[Deleted User 1990]

Every Spencer’s I’ve been in (and I was actually in one not too long ago getting a gag gift) has not had the S*x toy section barricaded. It’s in the very back of the store, but you can walk right up to it.
I remember going as a teenager into that section.

Oh and kids can go into a bar in Florida as well. But obviously cannot drink.

I’ve done spring break in Miami a few times… carded at every bar I went into…

I’m not talking about an Applebees that has a bar section.

Neither am I.
You were carded because the bar wouldn’t have served you alcohol if you were underage. But there is no law prohibiting a minor from being inside a bar. They just obviously cannot drink.

No, I was carded by the bouncer at the door…All the South Beach bars and clubs card.

But there wasn’t a lot of food sales going on either… the restaurants that have bars have to let kids in, not the nightlife businesses.


“In establishments where sales from food account for more than 50% of total sales, minors are allowed in the establishment. There is no law prohibiting minors to sit at a bar as long as they are not consuming alcohol. Must be at least 18 to work in areas of an establishment that sell or serve alcohol for consumption.” https://www.servsafe.com/downloads/pdfs ... ws/florida





The point, is that there are places designated for adults only that children aren’t allowed… I don’t even see why that’s being argued right now because it’s a known fact.

[SallyMae]

It actually isn’t been going on for very long, at all.
Drag shows have…

But, it isn't about the drag, remember? The legislation doesn't even mention drag.

It's about raunchy sexual content, and parents have been allowing their children to view raunchy adult comedy at their discretion since at least the 70s. The comedy albums of Steve Martin, George Carlin and Richard Pryor contained humor just as inappropriate, but nobody came after parents who played those albums at home or stores that sold them to parents. Then came cable and VHS. No one brought the law down on parents when kids saw movies like Animal House and Porky's, and they almost all got over it with no ill effects.

The moral panic is because it is happening now, related to drag, when people are trying hard to stoke a culture war over the new acceptance of transgenderism.

Every political struggle is a battle for competing values, and you should be able to see that there are decent values on both sides of this argument. I can appreciate the value of wanting to protect children. Of course we do not want adults to show children porn, and there are laws about that. Instead of accusing others of wanting kids at the S*x show and practically being pedophiles, you should appreciate that values like freedom of choice and association, especially for one's children, are equally important. To have self-determination, people need the freedom even to make mistakes. Unless there is real harm coming from it, then that's their choice.

As long as you frame this as the normies vs. the perverts, you are going to perpetuate culture war and miss the chance to really understand.

[Olioxenfree]

Good. Kids aren't allowed at strip shows either. Both entertainers are in the same category.

Drag is, and always has been, adult themed content just like strippers. Kids don't need to see that. There's plenty of other age appropriate entertainment available.

Drag queens are not strippers. I have never been to a show that allowed under 18s where there was any kind of nudity. This comes from people making their opinions out of ignorance.

No it doesn’t… it comes from people who have attended drag shows… last one I went to the one of the performers came and sat at our table and let us all know he had a virgin asshole.

It’s an adult entertainment environment, there’s no way Screwdolph the red nippled reindeer was invented for kids. And if he was that’s an even bigger problem…
It’s not a place for kids to be.

The last action movie I saw had explicit violence and nudity. Does that mean every action movie has explicit violence and nudity? No. Drag shows, just like most forms of entertainment, vary in theme and level of explicit content. There are ones for adult only audiences, that children are not allowed to attend, that have nudity, sexually explicit material, and discussions about virgin assholes. Then there are ones that are for family audiences, which I have also attended, that are completely clothed and focus on fashion, body positivity, and the dancing is no worse than what you see in any music video that kids watch on daytime tv.

[PoplarGrove]

I have no issue with adult drag shows being regulated just like any adult performance but the way their bill is worded is intentional and meant to outlaw any performance where a person is dressed up as someone of the opposite gender. I've been to many drag shows and I've only once seen a child at a show that was supposed to be "adults only". In that case the Queens came out, fawned over the kid for a little bit and the parents were refunded their money and told to take their kid home because this wasn't a place for children and they were given the dates of the next family friendly drag events.

"Predominantly appeals to a prurient, shameful, or morbid interest
Is patently offensive to prevailing standards in the adult community of this state as a whole with respect to what is suitable material or conduct for the age of the child present"

In my city there's a group of people who think drag story time is morally wrong and the performer has even had death threats against them. All because they have a penis and wear a dress and play a character. This bill is worded in a way to prevent events like this as well.

https://macleans.ca/society/queer-drag- ... -protests/

[Deleted User 1990]

It’s about live events… you keep bringing up movies as though that would have relevance here…if your kid wants to watch Ru Paul’s drag race have at it… but there were no kids in Richard Pryor’s audience… in any of his specials.

There’s been laws about which live events kids can attend, forever… concerts that have been 18 and over, rules for 21+ over club attendance, comedy club attendance, bar entry….you can go ahead and buy movies of all of the above and show it to your kids, they just can’t go.

You’re literally starting a culture war where there doesn’t need to be one.

It actually isn’t been going on for very long, at all.
Drag shows have…

But, it isn't even about the drag, remember? The legislation doesn't even mention drag.

It's about raunchy sexual content, and parents have been allowing their children to view raunchy adult comedy at their discretion since at least the 70s. The comedy albums of Steve Martin, George Carlin and Richard Pryor contained humor just as inappropriate, but nobody came after parents who played those albums at home or stores that sold them to parents. Then came cable and VHS. No one brought the law down on parents when kids saw movies like Animal House and Porky's, and they almost all got over it with no ill effects.

The moral panic is because it is happening now, related to drag, when people are trying hard to stoke a culture war over the new acceptance of transgenderism.

Every political struggle is a battle for competing values, and you should be able to see that there are decent values on both sides of this argument. I can appreciate the value of wanting to protect children. Of course we do not want adults to show children porn, and there are laws about that. Instead of accusing others of wanting kids at the S*x show and practically being pedophiles, you should appreciate that values like freedom of choice and association, especially for one's children, are equally important. To have self-determination, people need the freedom even to make mistakes. Unless there is real harm coming from it, then that's their choice.

As long as you frame this as the normies vs. the perverts, you are going to perpetuate culture war and miss the chance to really understand.

[PoplarGrove]

Good. Kids aren't allowed at strip shows either. Both entertainers are in the same category.

Drag is, and always has been, adult themed content just like strippers. Kids don't need to see that. There's plenty of other age appropriate entertainment available.

Drag queens are not strippers. I have never been to a show that allowed under 18s where there was any kind of nudity. This comes from people making their opinions out of ignorance.

No it doesn’t… it comes from people who have attended drag shows… last one I went to the one of the performers came and sat at our table and let us all know he had a virgin asshole.

It’s an adult entertainment environment, there’s no way Screwdolph the red nippled reindeer was invented for kids. And if he was that’s an even bigger problem…
It’s not a place for kids to be.

Huh, last drag show I went to we sang "If you're happy and you know it", danced to a few rainbow themed songs and there was a hair flipping contest using yarn wigs and a skirt spinning dance (the children got to put on full circle skirts and spin in them). There was also a lot of talk about doing what makes you happy. I was one of the only adults in attendance. The drag show before that I was putting 5s in a drag queen's bra...there were no children at that one. The one before that was a brunch with kids. No nudity and you handed money to the Queens or put it in a basket. It's amazing how the same performance art can be modified for each particular audience.