Florida bill defines drag shows as ‘serious danger to public health & safety’ for kids

[WellPreserved]

That’s not moral panic.. that’s borderline child abuse.

7 year olds don’t belong around the fuckfest jokes, dildo costumes and nipple blush… and to be honest, it’s literally hard to imagine anyone other than pedophiles arguing any differently…

This has gone WAAAAAYYYYY past inclusion and compassion and has entered into extremely inappropriate venues for children to attend and it’s not helping anyone, especially the next generation live with more freedom. It’s stifling them . They’re now LOSING rights they would have had because the adults around them just can’t find a middle ground…


It’s actually pretty tragic for them.

Alright… well … if you’re ever wondering why so many people are walking back from liberalism… it’s this shit right here.

Kids at S*x shows is the wrong leg to try to stand on when attempting to beat out republican policies when it’s the only the two on the table…

It’s this bullshit that is steering people away from believing that actual normal people in the LGBT aren’t coming after their kids with some agenda… and we’re losing ground every election because this crap is mixed up in LGBT rights now….we’re just completely screwing over the future generation because republicans know how to play the political game better…

Moral panic

I don't believe that children belonged at the event (it was billed as raunchy and not intended for children). There are a lot of events I don't believe children belong (CPAC for one). I don't agree with making vague legislation that would penalize events ranging from drag shows to mardi gras parades to Madonna concerts to A Chorus Line if parents bring their children. I don't agree that parents who bring their children to these events should be labelled as child abusers. Pedophiles? Really?

Why just live performances and not taped? There are thousands of moms in Florida who hauled their minor kids to "50 Shades of Gray" because they couldn't get a baby sitter and because the movie industry is big bucks - burlesque and drag shows, not so much. Conservatives have found a winning strategy with their stick of protecting children. Not feeding or housing them but protecting them from twerking and dildos and men in drag.

Yes, moral panic.

[Deleted User 1990]

That’s not moral panic.. that’s borderline child abuse.

7 year olds don’t belong around the fuckfest jokes, dildo costumes and nipple blush… and to be honest, it’s literally hard to imagine anyone other than pedophiles arguing any differently…

This has gone WAAAAAYYYYY past inclusion and compassion and has entered into extremely inappropriate venues for children to attend and it’s not helping anyone, especially the next generation live with more freedom. It’s stifling them . They’re now LOSING rights they would have had because the adults around them just can’t find a middle ground…


It’s actually pretty tragic for them.

Moral panic

I don't believe that children belonged at the event (it was billed as raunchy and not intended for children). There are a lot of events I don't believe children belong (CPAC for one). I don't agree with making vague legislation that would penalize events ranging from drag shows to mardi gras parades to Madonna concerts to A Chorus Line if parents bring their children. I don't agree that parents who bring their children to these events should be labelled as child abusers. Pedophiles? Really?

Why just live performances and not taped? There are thousands of moms in Florida who hauled their minor kids to "50 Shades of Gray" because they couldn't get a baby sitter and because the movie industry is big bucks - burlesque and drag shows, not so much. Conservatives have found a winning strategy with their stick of protecting children. Not feeding or housing them but protecting them from twerking and dildos and men in drag.

Yes, moral panic.

If a parent told me they took their 7 year old to see 50 shades of gray I’d ask they what was wrong with them too…


It’s BIZARRE that in this day and age we’re discussing whether or not dildos belong around children, but here we are I guess.
That’s why people are thinking these people are pedophiles though… because not many people would argue for all children to be allowed into the sexual entertainment scene that adults enjoy.

[mcginnisc]

Here's my thought: If this is about *any* live show that has sexual anything in it..then, they are going to have to also ban concerts and some Broadway shows. They mention S*x continually in many songs on mainstream radio currently: Cardi B anyone? Singers come out half dressed and then sing their songs that talk about S*x and concerts last 2+ hours.. Hamilton has a song in it called : Say No To This..it is about Hamilton's affair with Miranda Reynolds and the subsequent blackmail he is subjected to by her husband. I screened it on Disney+ before I allowed my youngest to watch it because I wanted to know how they handled that song. It was pretty tame so she watched it and has seen it live. However, the lyrics are : She led me to the bed, let her legs spread and said stay...There's also several F-bombs in the show. There were a lot of young kids at the show when we went.. mine were almost 15 and 12 so not overly young, but there were a lot much younger than mine.
This reminds me of the 80's when Tipper Gore and company went after rock and rap music and Dee Snyder from Twisted Sister went before Congress to testify. Tipper and company got their way and labels were then put on music..that does not apply to concerts though as the artisits can sing whatever they want at their concerts to whomever attends, so the labels really didn't do much.
So, even though we now have labels on music, and video games for MA, and shows for TV MA, it doesn't make much difference IMO as parents still let their children watch/ play these things. Hell, my 14 year old is playing The Last of Us which is rated MA...she also plays Assassin's Creed which is rated MA. She has not however been allowed to watch things like Blazing Saddles, The Breakfast Club, Heathers and other movies like that because well..they are rated R and we have not felt they are okay for her yet..I'm going to let her watch Heathers after she watches The Last of Us with her dad as he screened the first one. We wouldn't let her watch GOT because it is basically soft porn. I watched the first one under duress and noped my way out of anymore as it was just a lot and not to my liking at all. I wish I could say my thoughts are consistent with ratings, but alas they are not. We limit what she listens to- a little bit..no Cardi B and no rap. Dh says no because it is mysogynistic at best so rap is out. She listens to a lot of other stuff though. Dh is a little appalled that she sings Semi Charmed Kind of Life by Third Eye Blind as it is about prostitution and drugs, but it is one of my favorite 90's songs because it is so catchy. On the other hand, she plays video games with a lot of violence in them and language that would make a sailor blush. She is also not allowed to watch things like The Outer Banks because Dh has seen it and he said no due to all of the S*x scenes in it. He said it's just too much at her age. ( to be fair she was 12 when she asked to watch it and he has maintained his no stance)
Ratings are not hard and fast for most parents as we all decide by what we are comfortable with our children seeing and hearing.
I would not take my kids to see something like the show mentioned earlier. It does not scream family friendly to me. It screams adults only. However, if this bill is encompassing *all* live shows, then someone better get busy monitoring all of the musicians like Pink that come out in barely there outfits and sing about S*x and throw the F bomb around, or the myriad of other artists too that do the same as those are also live shows. *shrugs*

[SallyMae]

Strawman, of course. You have to be able to separate these ideas in your mind. It's possible to argue for people to have self determination and be allowed to enjoy activities that are not dangerous if they want to, without arguing for those activities. You know? I also think drugs should be legalized and regulated, that does not mean I am arguing "for" people to take heroin. Get it?

Yes, it is a moral panic, because people are suddenly rushing to make laws over stuff that a) has been going on for ages with little objection and b) where there is no evidence of harm.

Says the one arguing for kids to attend S*x shows…
Different values entirely.

I think getting offended by this must be almost as exciting as enjoying it. Really gets your imagination going.

[Deleted User 1990]

It actually isn’t been going on for very long, at all.


Drag shows have… Stonewall riots were extremely justifiable and drag shows have been loved as adult entertainment forever…


This kid shit is new. Brand new and we were not arguing for kids to be at drag shows at any other point in our history.



You want to do the future generations some good?

Listen to them.



There’s not one kid out there that wants more grown men with dildo harnesses and blushed nipples around them more.


But there are sooooo many that want to be able to defy the gender norms and be accepted for who they are at school and by the adults in their lives.


Blending the two together as though it’s the same agenda is seriously fucked up and literally harming the kids who are fighting for acceptance.

Strawman, of course. You have to be able to separate these ideas in your mind. It's possible to argue for people to have self determination and be allowed to enjoy activities that are not dangerous if they want to, without arguing for those activities. You know? I also think drugs should be legalized and regulated, that does not mean I am arguing "for" people to take heroin. Get it?

Yes, it is a moral panic, because people are suddenly rushing to make laws over stuff that a) has been going on for ages with little objection and b) where there is no evidence of harm.

Says the one arguing for kids to attend S*x shows…
Different values entirely.

I think getting offended by this must be almost as exciting as enjoying it. Really gets your imagination going.

[Baconqueen13]

You sure like to twist shit...

From the article on "Screwdolph and the blushed nipples"

"Admission is limited to patrons 18 years of age or over, unless accompanied by a parent," reads a warning on the Fort Lauderdale event page. The Miami New Times reports the show contains off-color bits like "T*** in a Box" and "Screwdolph the Red-Nippled Reindeer."


This specifically states it is an ADULT show...and the drag show was not intended for minors. THUS ALL BLAME BELONGS TO THE PARENTS. The law in question would punish entertainers (even adult entertainers) for parents bringing their kids to the venue...Yet they are only doing this for ADULT themed Drag shows (not all drag is adult themed and those that are have age limits like the screwdolph show) . You think they will be enforcing this in regards to spring break or mardi gras activities? NO.

It actually isn’t been going on for very long, at all.


Drag shows have… Stonewall riots were extremely justifiable and drag shows have been loved as adult entertainment forever…


This kid shit is new. Brand new and we were not arguing for kids to be at drag shows at any other point in our history.



You want to do the future generations some good?

Listen to them.



There’s not one kid out there that wants more grown men with dildo harnesses and blushed nipples around them more.


But there are sooooo many that want to be able to defy the gender norms and be accepted for who they are at school and by the adults in their lives.


Blending the two together as though it’s the same agenda is seriously fucked up and literally harming the kids who are fighting for acceptance.

Strawman, of course. You have to be able to separate these ideas in your mind. It's possible to argue for people to have self determination and be allowed to enjoy activities that are not dangerous if they want to, without arguing for those activities. You know? I also think drugs should be legalized and regulated, that does not mean I am arguing "for" people to take heroin. Get it?

Yes, it is a moral panic, because people are suddenly rushing to make laws over stuff that a) has been going on for ages with little objection and b) where there is no evidence of harm.

Says the one arguing for kids to attend S*x shows…
Different values entirely.

[Deleted User 1977]

IMO, the following article gives an interesting perspective for those parents in today's world that are concerned...

"Analysis: Political rhetoric, false claims obscure the history of drag performance | PBS NewsHour" https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politi ... erformance

[Deleted User 1990]

I didn’t twist anything… I posted the headline and the second sentence.


The article’s writer twisted shit not me…

And now, you’re twisting shit… not me. I said drag shows have been around forever. We were not advocating for kids to attend before this.

Wearing the clothing of the opposite gender is not what drag means. Every transgendered person or non-binary person dressed normally is not dressed up in drag. That was the definition of those who were trying to force gender norms onto people… not actual allies.

Kids aren’t fighting for their rights to dress up in drag. They’re fighting for their right to dress in the clothing they find most comfortable.


Stop putting this adult vs. adult bullshit onto kids and pretending that you’re helping them… you’re not.

You sure like to twist shit...

From the article on "Screwdolph and the blushed nipples"

"Admission is limited to patrons 18 years of age or over, unless accompanied by a parent," reads a warning on the Fort Lauderdale event page. The Miami New Times reports the show contains off-color bits like "T*** in a Box" and "Screwdolph the Red-Nippled Reindeer."


This specifically states it is an ADULT show...and the drag show was not intended for minors. THUS ALL BLAME BELONGS TO THE PARENTS. The law in question would punish entertainers (even adult entertainers) for parents bringing their kids to the venue...Yet they are only doing this for ADULT themed Drag shows (not all drag is adult themed and those that are have age limits like the screwdolph show) . You think they will be enforcing this in regards to spring break or mardi gras activities? NO.

It actually isn’t been going on for very long, at all.


Drag shows have… Stonewall riots were extremely justifiable and drag shows have been loved as adult entertainment forever…


This kid shit is new. Brand new and we were not arguing for kids to be at drag shows at any other point in our history.



You want to do the future generations some good?

Listen to them.



There’s not one kid out there that wants more grown men with dildo harnesses and blushed nipples around them more.


But there are sooooo many that want to be able to defy the gender norms and be accepted for who they are at school and by the adults in their lives.


Blending the two together as though it’s the same agenda is seriously fucked up and literally harming the kids who are fighting for acceptance.

Strawman, of course. You have to be able to separate these ideas in your mind. It's possible to argue for people to have self determination and be allowed to enjoy activities that are not dangerous if they want to, without arguing for those activities. You know? I also think drugs should be legalized and regulated, that does not mean I am arguing "for" people to take heroin. Get it?

Yes, it is a moral panic, because people are suddenly rushing to make laws over stuff that a) has been going on for ages with little objection and b) where there is no evidence of harm.

[Deleted User 1977]

Drag queen story hours have not been around for "ages" but have been around longer than some parents may realize...

"EXPLAINER-What is Drag Queen Story Hour and why are the events under attack? | OPENLY" https://www.openlynews.com/i/?id=01d49b ... 89fa5576ed

[Baconqueen13]

No one here is advocating for kids to attend an adult based drag show either. What IS being said that it's up to parents, and let's face it we are not talking about a 4 year old being able to attend an adult themed drag show....but a 17 year old may be more permissible....again UP TO THE PARENTS.

We never argued about this before because people weren't trying to legislate it and punish the artists for the decisions made by the parents.

'How many malls have stores like "Spencer's Gifts" you know that store SELLS vibrators and dildos as well as a variety of other sexually explicit items? Is Florida trying to ban Spencer's from malls or arresting parents that take their kids in the stores? No.

I didn’t twist anything… I posted the headline and the second sentence.


The article’s writer twisted shit not me…

And now, you’re twisting shit… not me. I said drag shows have been around forever. We were not advocating for kids to attend before this.

Wearing the clothing of the opposite gender is not what drag means. Every transgendered person or non-binary person dressed normally is not dressed up in drag. That was the definition of those who were trying to force gender norms onto people… not actual allies.

Kids aren’t fighting for their rights to dress up in drag. They’re fighting for their right to dress in the clothing they find most comfortable.


Stop putting this adult vs. adult bullshit onto kids and pretending that you’re helping them… you’re not.

You sure like to twist shit...

From the article on "Screwdolph and the blushed nipples"

"Admission is limited to patrons 18 years of age or over, unless accompanied by a parent," reads a warning on the Fort Lauderdale event page. The Miami New Times reports the show contains off-color bits like "T*** in a Box" and "Screwdolph the Red-Nippled Reindeer."


This specifically states it is an ADULT show...and the drag show was not intended for minors. THUS ALL BLAME BELONGS TO THE PARENTS. The law in question would punish entertainers (even adult entertainers) for parents bringing their kids to the venue...Yet they are only doing this for ADULT themed Drag shows (not all drag is adult themed and those that are have age limits like the screwdolph show) . You think they will be enforcing this in regards to spring break or mardi gras activities? NO.

It actually isn’t been going on for very long, at all.


Drag shows have… Stonewall riots were extremely justifiable and drag shows have been loved as adult entertainment forever…


This kid shit is new. Brand new and we were not arguing for kids to be at drag shows at any other point in our history.



You want to do the future generations some good?

Listen to them.



There’s not one kid out there that wants more grown men with dildo harnesses and blushed nipples around them more.


But there are sooooo many that want to be able to defy the gender norms and be accepted for who they are at school and by the adults in their lives.


Blending the two together as though it’s the same agenda is seriously fucked up and literally harming the kids who are fighting for acceptance.