First Baptist Church members must now sign sexuality oath opposing LGBTQ freedoms

[Momto2boys973]

No, not really. That’s why it’s a religion and it’s a matter of belief. It’s up to every individual to search for what they believe is true. No one can guarantee what they believe is the truth, that doesn’t mean that they aren’t themselves convinced what it is.
If you don’t believe that is the truth, then don’t go to that Church, simple as that. The beauty of living in a multicultural society is that you can search for what you think is true and probably find a community to share those beliefs. And ultimately, they have to guarantee it to their members, not the rest of the world. They really don’t need to guarantee or prove anything to anyone else.

They should have to guarantee that what they are teaching is true.

[Momto2boys973]

Actually, according to Judaism, no they’re not.

people are "either male or female

Are angels not individual thinking beings, as much "people" as humans are?

[Deleted User 1990]

people are "either male or female

Are angels not individual thinking beings, as much "people" as humans are?

Not biblically, no.

Well… Satan was, but angels exerting free will fall from heaven.

[SallyMae]

They say “I guarantee this is true”.

Example?

They say “the only way to guarantee a spot in heaven is through this church.”

It’s quite easy to guarantee something that can only be validated after death.

Yes. And just as easy to claim to "know" that God hates gays, or whatever.

Such easy claims are so worthless. That's nothing like a guarantee. If they want to contractually obligate their members to hate gays, or whatever, the church should be contractually obligated to demonstrate that their claims about sexuality are true. They aren't, and they can't, and the "contract" is bullshit, but it illustrates the larger issue - religion has a truth problem.

[Deleted User 1990]

Example?

They say “the only way to guarantee a spot in heaven is through this church.”

It’s quite easy to guarantee something that can only be validated after death.

Yes. And just as easy to claim to "know" that God hates gays, or whatever.

Such easy claims are so worthless. That's nothing like a guarantee. If they want to contractually obligate their members to hate gays, or whatever, the church should be contractually obligated to demonstrate that their claims about sexuality are true. They aren't, and they can't, and the "contract" is bullshit, but it illustrates the larger issue - religion has a truth problem.

They’re worthless to anyone not adhering to that religion…

But to the followers, it’s a promise from God.

The contracts are in turn the followers making a promise to God.

[SallyMae]

They say “the only way to guarantee a spot in heaven is through this church.”

It’s quite easy to guarantee something that can only be validated after death.

Yes. And just as easy to claim to "know" that God hates gays, or whatever.

Such easy claims are so worthless. That's nothing like a guarantee. If they want to contractually obligate their members to hate gays, or whatever, the church should be contractually obligated to demonstrate that their claims about sexuality are true. They aren't, and they can't, and the "contract" is bullshit, but it illustrates the larger issue - religion has a truth problem.

They’re worthless to anyone not adhering to that religion…

But to the followers, it’s a promise from God.

The contracts are in turn the followers making a promise to God.

People promising each other that God wants them to hate gays, and so they will. That's quite an unpleasant little game. And it's hurting society.

[Baconqueen13]

Yes. And just as easy to claim to "know" that God hates gays, or whatever.

Such easy claims are so worthless. That's nothing like a guarantee. If they want to contractually obligate their members to hate gays, or whatever, the church should be contractually obligated to demonstrate that their claims about sexuality are true. They aren't, and they can't, and the "contract" is bullshit, but it illustrates the larger issue - religion has a truth problem.

They’re worthless to anyone not adhering to that religion…

But to the followers, it’s a promise from God.

The contracts are in turn the followers making a promise to God.

People promising each other that God wants them to hate gays, and so they will. That's quite an unpleasant little game. And it's hurting society.

They really don't care as long as it gives them a claim of superiority over others. ("Saved by the grace of God".......despite even the bible saying that ALL are sinners (romans 3:23) and ALL are forgiven(Matthew 12:31) and only GOD will judge who is "saved"(James 4:12)

What the Bible really says doesn't matter to them as long as they can twist it to boost their own egos and claim they are better than those they are speaking against.

[Lemons]

The wonderful thing about the First Amendment is that no one is required or forced to be a member of that church’s congregation. Do I agree with what the pastor is doing, absolutely not, which is why I’d never support the church beyond acknowledging their rights.

The First Amendment also allows the media to let the public know what goes on in these churches. As long as they remember it goes both ways. They can make their own policies but they need to stop trying to push Christian prayers and other Christian paraphernalia into public schools.

That is not what the first amendment does…

Churches don’t have to let the media in or tell them anything about what goes on behind closed doors.

Churches like the one in Utah marrying 12 year olds to 70 year olds don’t let the media in. Investigative journalists have other sources, verify it and report it.

[Deleted User 1990]

Yes. And just as easy to claim to "know" that God hates gays, or whatever.

Such easy claims are so worthless. That's nothing like a guarantee. If they want to contractually obligate their members to hate gays, or whatever, the church should be contractually obligated to demonstrate that their claims about sexuality are true. They aren't, and they can't, and the "contract" is bullshit, but it illustrates the larger issue - religion has a truth problem.

They’re worthless to anyone not adhering to that religion…

But to the followers, it’s a promise from God.

The contracts are in turn the followers making a promise to God.

People promising each other that God wants them to hate gays, and so they will. That's quite an unpleasant little game. And it's hurting society.

I’d agree with you there…

It completely hurts society at large when they do those stupid demonstrations… I’ll physically fight them at that point.


But I have no control over what they believe or what their church asks of them. I can only get involved when it impacts my life or my family, friends ect.

[Deleted User 1990]

The First Amendment also allows the media to let the public know what goes on in these churches. As long as they remember it goes both ways. They can make their own policies but they need to stop trying to push Christian prayers and other Christian paraphernalia into public schools.

That is not what the first amendment does…

Churches don’t have to let the media in or tell them anything about what goes on behind closed doors.

Churches like the one in Utah marrying 12 year olds to 70 year olds don’t let the media in. Investigative journalists have other sources, verify it and report it.

The first amendment doesn’t give immunity to cover up crimes at all, the police should be going in if that’s the case, not the media.