jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:52 pmI work for it now. Unexpected bills would cripple 50% of the population in general. I don't think it's a reason to terminate rights if they can otherwise meet basic needs and have corrected the problem that sent the kids away in the first place.Carpy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:57 pmI worked that system for10 years. That is why it's the bigger question to me.jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:40 pm
Kids get taken in to foster care every day but they goal is to reunite them with parents. If parents have done all the necessary work to get their kids back (supervised visits, substance abuse treatment, parenting classes, etc), then they should have the chance to be parents again. Unpaid bills over debt they did not even expect to accrue is not a reason to revoke parental rights.
In some states, an unpaid foster care bill could mean parents lose their kids forever
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Traci_Momof2 makes a good point, though. If the parents can’t afford this fee, how are they expected to pay for a child’s basic needs? I find it hard to believe the fee is higher than the cost of raising a child.
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$19,530 was the bill one of the parents in the story received. Presumably, you would have to pay that in addition to paying for your child's current basic needs. I couldn't do it.Momto2boys973 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:46 pm Traci_Momof2 makes a good point, though. If the parents can’t afford this fee, how are they expected to pay for a child’s basic needs? I find it hard to believe the fee is higher than the cost of raising a child.
jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:52 pmI work for it now. Unexpected bills would cripple 50% of the population in general. I don't think it's a reason to terminate rights if they can otherwise meet basic needs and have corrected the problem that sent the kids away in the first place.
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I didn’t see any cases for that amount. I saw $17,000 for 3 years for 2 boys. That’s about $240 a month per child.
It seems to me that one big issue is that apparently parents aren’t being told of these bills.
It seems to me that one big issue is that apparently parents aren’t being told of these bills.
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:41 pm$19,530 was the bill one of the parents in the story received. Presumably, you would have to pay that in addition to paying for your child's current basic needs. I couldn't do it.Momto2boys973 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:46 pm Traci_Momof2 makes a good point, though. If the parents can’t afford this fee, how are they expected to pay for a child’s basic needs? I find it hard to believe the fee is higher than the cost of raising a child.
jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:52 pm
I work for it now. Unexpected bills would cripple 50% of the population in general. I don't think it's a reason to terminate rights if they can otherwise meet basic needs and have corrected the problem that sent the kids away in the first place.
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50% of Americans don't have enough in savings to survive a blown tire or a medical emergency. Doesn't mean they aren't able to meet basic needs. Just means they are paycheck to paycheck. A few years ago a surprise bill of thousands would have sunk me. I was still able to provide for my kids. It was just tight.Momto2boys973 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:46 pm Traci_Momof2 makes a good point, though. If the parents can’t afford this fee, how are they expected to pay for a child’s basic needs? I find it hard to believe the fee is higher than the cost of raising a child.
jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:52 pmI work for it now. Unexpected bills would cripple 50% of the population in general. I don't think it's a reason to terminate rights if they can otherwise meet basic needs and have corrected the problem that sent the kids away in the first place.
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And how many times have you seen children returned and taken again?jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:52 pmI work for it now. Unexpected bills would cripple 50% of the population in general. I don't think it's a reason to terminate rights if they can otherwise meet basic needs and have corrected the problem that sent the kids away in the first place.Carpy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:57 pmI worked that system for10 years. That is why it's the bigger question to me.jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:40 pm
Kids get taken in to foster care every day but they goal is to reunite them with parents. If parents have done all the necessary work to get their kids back (supervised visits, substance abuse treatment, parenting classes, etc), then they should have the chance to be parents again. Unpaid bills over debt they did not even expect to accrue is not a reason to revoke parental rights.
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Never because of an unpaid, surprise bill. Debt is not a reason to terminate parental rights.Carpy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 5:44 amAnd how many times have you seen children returned and taken again?jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:52 pmI work for it now. Unexpected bills would cripple 50% of the population in general. I don't think it's a reason to terminate rights if they can otherwise meet basic needs and have corrected the problem that sent the kids away in the first place.
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I find that hard to believe. But I didn't ask you about it being due to debt.jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:15 amNever because of an unpaid, surprise bill. Debt is not a reason to terminate parental rights.Carpy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 5:44 amAnd how many times have you seen children returned and taken again?jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:52 pm
I work for it now. Unexpected bills would cripple 50% of the population in general. I don't think it's a reason to terminate rights if they can otherwise meet basic needs and have corrected the problem that sent the kids away in the first place.
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Parents whose children were taken for neglect or finances should be able to get their kids back with assistance. Physical abuse on the other hand doesn’t just go away.Carpy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:09 pmI find that hard to believe. But I didn't ask you about it being due to debt.jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:15 amNever because of an unpaid, surprise bill. Debt is not a reason to terminate parental rights.
There was a case in Michigan where a child was in foster care for about 7 years. The foster couple wanted to adopt him because returning him failed before. The Judge returned the child to the parents because she wasn’t going to be the first Judge to give a Native American child to a White couple. The child was dead within weeks of horrific torture and abuse.
I don’t think parents owing money is a red flag.
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It happens a lot and I know of that case. That's why my top priority is why the child was removed. CPS generally doesn't send those kids back. Judges do.Lemons wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 6:12 pmParents whose children were taken for neglect or finances should be able to get their kids back with assistance. Physical abuse on the other hand doesn’t just go away.Carpy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:09 pmI find that hard to believe. But I didn't ask you about it being due to debt.jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:15 am
Never because of an unpaid, surprise bill. Debt is not a reason to terminate parental rights.
There was a case in Michigan where a child was in foster care for about 7 years. The foster couple wanted to adopt him because returning him failed before. The Judge returned the child to the parents because she wasn’t going to be the first Judge to give a Native American child to a White couple. The child was dead within weeks of horrific torture and abuse.
I don’t think parents owing money is a red flag.