Conroe brewery pulls out as venue for Kyle Rittenhouse rally against censorship

[cgd5112]

I do know what you mean and I agree. Had the brewery owner cited religious beliefs, would it have been an issue? After all, business owners can discriminate against gay couples by citing some Christian belief. What if the venue was looking to hold an LGTB+ event and the business owner cited that such ideology/philosophy/discourse is against their beliefs? I would bet the owners would get a MAL invite in 2 seconds flat. T Carlson would be ranting on and on about anti woke shit, etc.

I think a big part of the problem is we can't agree on what "discrimination" means. Maybe operationalize that definition so we are all on the same page. Part of my job requires meeting my members in person; there have been a couple of times when I refused due to "bad vibes". Am I discriminating? Yes, based on instinct, maybe even prejudice. Is it "discrimination"? I'd say no. Individual discrimination is perfectly legal and done every day, based on a judgement call. Some classes of people are protected because of historical prejudice against an entire class (women in general not being able to vote, gay people not being able to be employed, black people not being allowed in certain areas). That was what had to be corrected by law. If this bar had discriminated against KR because he was a man, that is wrong. They can choose to "discriminate" against him personally, as an individual, because they don't like him, that is perfectly allowed. Unless we are suggesting that every place needs to host every person for any reason.

This is a ramble, my mind is not on this any longer, lol.

[Pjmm]

I think a big part of the problem is we can't agree on what "discrimination" means. Maybe operationalize that definition so we are all on the same page. Part of my job requires meeting my members in person; there have been a couple of times when I refused due to "bad vibes". Am I discriminating? Yes, based on instinct, maybe even prejudice. Is it "discrimination"? I'd say no. Individual discrimination is perfectly legal and done every day, based on a judgement call. Some classes of people are protected because of historical prejudice against an entire class (women in general not being able to vote, gay people not being able to be employed, black people not being allowed in certain areas). That was what had to be corrected by law. If this bar had discriminated against KR because he was a man, that is wrong. They can choose to "discriminate" against him personally, as an individual, because they don't like him, that is perfectly allowed. Unless we are suggesting that every place needs to host every person for any reason.

This is a ramble, my mind is not on this any longer, lol.

Yes. We can discriminate on one person or a group for their behavior. I don’t want to host the KKK because they’re a hate group. Same with Nazi groups. If someone comes in and harassed my coworkers I don’t want their business. Heck if they give us a hard time we don’t want them. Yes that might open the door to someone not wanting to bake a cake for a gay wedding. But perhaps the answer to that is let natural consequences happen, I.e boycotts of that business by anyone who is okay with gay marriage. However businesses can’t discriminate based on the S*x, ethnicity, race or religion of that person. I can refuse to do business with Kyle because I think he’s an ass but not because he’s Caucasian. If that’s discrimination so be it. Businesses do and should have right to choose their clients. Hospitals and government agencies are different.

[newyearnewring]

I'm not familiar with Southern Star but I know Conroe well and, well, I'm surprised.

[WellPreserved]

No… not in other words… the situation you brought up where someone is yelling and screaming didn’t happen.


This is about renting a facility that everyone else is allowed to rent.


The situation you brought up is why people felt valid discrimination against most other groups that have been discriminated against… because they might bring trouble.


That’s a reason why Black people were discriminated against, Muslims were discriminated against, gays were discriminated against, hell it’s even why people who were thought to possibly have communist beliefs were discriminated against…

So, in other words, when someone is being belligerent in a store and acting the fool, a business will no longer be allowed to ask them to leave.. Why? Because they are going to scream that they are a protected class and can't be discriminated against. Either a business has the ability to decide not to be associated with people like Rittenhouse, or they don't. According to you, he is being discriminated against and that is a no-no. He is not being discriminated against. Conroe's owner decided he didn't want to host this craziness at his place of business. It is his right as a business owner. If businesses are not allowed to make those decisions, that is infringing on them and their rights. Kyle Rittenhouse has every right to go in and get a beer when the little twit is 21 years of age. Nobody is stopping him. He just can't hold a rally there.
It's the same thing as the restaurant a few months ago that was protecting their staff by not allowing people to have a party there. They are loud mouths and the owner said no because the staff was uncomfortable. You were fine with that because the servers were LGBTQIA+, but now...you are not okay with RIttenhouse being turned away. Either it is okay or its not. It doesn't matter if the owner of the first place was doing it to protect his servers ( I applaud him for it!), he did the same exact thing as the brewery owner. He said no. Was that discrimination too in your book because they are anti-LGBTQIA+ and were told no they couldn't eat there? Rittenhouse is also a loud mouth little twit and was told no. So, now he is whining all over the place because a brewery said no thanks to having his rally there. Both establishments had the right to say no. You can't pick one over the other as they did the same exact thing. ( although the restaurant owner was shady and should have said no much sooner than an hour before hand).

If OJ Simpson had wanted to rent out a restaurant for a book launch party when If I Did It came out, and a restaurant said “thanks, but no thanks, we don’t want to be associated with this weird low key celebration of domestic violence and getting away with murder”, is that the same in your mind as them saying “no, we don’t want you here because you’re Black”?

Didn't Fox cancel OJ's "If I Did It" tv show and book tour after public outcry?

[Deleted User 1990]

No… not in other words… the situation you brought up where someone is yelling and screaming didn’t happen.


This is about renting a facility that everyone else is allowed to rent.


The situation you brought up is why people felt valid discrimination against most other groups that have been discriminated against… because they might bring trouble.


That’s a reason why Black people were discriminated against, Muslims were discriminated against, gays were discriminated against, hell it’s even why people who were thought to possibly have communist beliefs were discriminated against…

If OJ Simpson had wanted to rent out a restaurant for a book launch party when If I Did It came out, and a restaurant said “thanks, but no thanks, we don’t want to be associated with this weird low key celebration of domestic violence and getting away with murder”, is that the same in your mind as them saying “no, we don’t want you here because you’re Black”?

Didn't Fox cancel OJ's "If I Did It" tv show and book tour after public outcry?

FOX Broadcasting doesn’t invite “the public” to host television shows for them.

[WellPreserved]

If OJ Simpson had wanted to rent out a restaurant for a book launch party when If I Did It came out, and a restaurant said “thanks, but no thanks, we don’t want to be associated with this weird low key celebration of domestic violence and getting away with murder”, is that the same in your mind as them saying “no, we don’t want you here because you’re Black”?

Didn't Fox cancel OJ's "If I Did It" tv show and book tour after public outcry?

FOX Broadcasting doesn’t invite “the public” to host television shows for them.

FOX agreed to a book deal and televised series but when faced with backlash regarding such, they backed out.

Southern Star brewery agreed to host an event for the publishing company Defiance Press but when the headliner speaker was announced (Rittenhouse) they received backlash and backed out.

Our local festival booked Celo Green but when receiving backlash, they cancelled.

Our local brewery books events but no weddings, political events, or witches, lol. If I book an event there and they discover that my headliner is a witch, they will cancel.

None of the above, IMO, are examples of descrimation.

[Deleted User 1990]

Didn't Fox cancel OJ's "If I Did It" tv show and book tour after public outcry?

FOX Broadcasting doesn’t invite “the public” to host television shows for them.

FOX agreed to a book deal and televised series but when faced with backlash regarding such, they backed out.

Southern Star brewery agreed to host an event for the publishing company Defiance Press but when the headliner speaker was announced (Rittenhouse) they received backlash and backed out.

Our local festival booked Celo Green but when receiving backlash, they cancelled.

Our local brewery books events but no weddings, political events, or witches, lol. If I book an event there and they discover that my headliner is a witch, they will cancel.

None of the above, IMO, are examples of descrimation.

Ok.

[WellPreserved]

FOX Broadcasting doesn’t invite “the public” to host television shows for them.

FOX agreed to a book deal and televised series but when faced with backlash regarding such, they backed out.

Southern Star brewery agreed to host an event for the publishing company Defiance Press but when the headliner speaker was announced (Rittenhouse) they received backlash and backed out.

Our local festival booked Celo Green but when receiving backlash, they cancelled.

Our local brewery books events but no weddings, political events, or witches, lol. If I book an event there and they discover that my headliner is a witch, they will cancel.

None of the above, IMO, are examples of descrimation.

Ok.

back at you

[SouthernIslander]

I'm not familiar with Southern Star but I know Conroe well and, well, I'm surprised.

I don’t know much about that area. Is it conservative?

[Deleted User 1990]

That should be a huge, because it is most definitely discrimination.

I do know what you mean and I agree. Had the brewery owner cited religious beliefs, would it have been an issue? After all, business owners can discriminate against gay couples by citing some Christian belief. What if the venue was looking to hold an LGTB+ event and the business owner cited that such ideology/philosophy/discourse is against their beliefs? I would bet the owners would get a MAL invite in 2 seconds flat. T Carlson would be ranting on and on about anti woke shit, etc.

I think a big part of the problem is we can't agree on what "discrimination" means. Maybe operationalize that definition so we are all on the same page. Part of my job requires meeting my members in person; there have been a couple of times when I refused due to "bad vibes". Am I discriminating? Yes, based on instinct, maybe even prejudice. Is it "discrimination"? I'd say no. Individual discrimination is perfectly legal and done every day, based on a judgement call. Some classes of people are protected because of historical prejudice against an entire class (women in general not being able to vote, gay people not being able to be employed, black people not being allowed in certain areas). That was what had to be corrected by law. If this bar had discriminated against KR because he was a man, that is wrong. They can choose to "discriminate" against him personally, as an individual, because they don't like him, that is perfectly allowed. Unless we are suggesting that every place needs to host every person for any reason.

This is a ramble, my mind is not on this any longer, lol.