Re: What does this quote make you think? Agree or disagree?
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:47 pm
Oh goody. So those of us who don’t want to be victims of a deranged psycho should just learn to be scarier? So it’s our fault if we fail to do that?
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You asked a question and I answered it. Again, that is not a way I choose to live my life. If you choose differently, good for you.BobCobbMagob wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:35 pmI don’t think any of the murder victims chose it… it’s just what happened.WellPreserved wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:26 pmIt's not a way I choose to live my life or an environment I choose to raise my children. If others wish to, go for it. But if a visiting niece or nephew finds you gun and shoots someone, I blame you. If your son or daughter has a mental break and uses your gun in a rampage, I blame you. If you mistake your husband for a burgler, it's on you. And if my son mistakes your backdoor for his and you shoot him, I will follow you to the gates of hell.BobCobbMagob wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:13 pm
It’s horrible to think about.
But there are people killed by others every day.
For them, it’s real..:
This quote would be a way to combat the perpetrators who would create victims.
Probably not helpful to say if the guy that’s about to rape you shows up, be more scared of me and what I might think of you… it just sounds scarier. But then the victim is scared of two people and doesn’t save their own life when they could of because they fear social reproach.
We think of mass shootings but they are a tiny amount compared to gun murders in domestic violence cases. Even in mass shootings the shooter sometimes starts his murder spree with a family member. Women are much more likely to be murdered in their own home or workplace than anywhere else.AZOldCoot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:01 pm Honestly, he's not wrong IMO.
However, there are mass shooters who were looking for "suicide by cop," and were not in the right frame of mind at the time of their rampage.
Yet what are victims supposed to do? Wait around until the police show up or crisis support?
You do understand that most people killed are usually killed by someone they know ?BobCobbMagob wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:13 pmIt’s horrible to think about.
But there are people killed by others every day.
For them, it’s real..:
Most murderers are the lovers.Lemons wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:37 pmYou do understand that most people killed are usually killed by someone they know ?BobCobbMagob wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:13 pmIt’s horrible to think about.
But there are people killed by others every day.
For them, it’s real..:
Learning to make your family and friends fear you doesn’t make sense. The best way to not be a victim is to insist no guns in the house. There will still be domestic violence but not nearly as much.BobCobbMagob wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:59 pmMost murderers are the lovers.Lemons wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:37 pmYou do understand that most people killed are usually killed by someone they know ?BobCobbMagob wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:13 pm
It’s horrible to think about.
But there are people killed by others every day.
For them, it’s real..:
Should that make them more comfortable to kill?
So IYO, what should those victims of DV do or should have done to help prevent (or could have prevented) becoming the victims in the first place?Lemons wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:34 pmWe think of mass shootings but they are a tiny amount compared to gun murders in domestic violence cases. Even in mass shootings the shooter sometimes starts his murder spree with a family member. Women are much more likely to be murdered in their own home or workplace than anywhere else.AZOldCoot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:01 pm Honestly, he's not wrong IMO.
However, there are mass shooters who were looking for "suicide by cop," and were not in the right frame of mind at the time of their rampage.
Yet what are victims supposed to do? Wait around until the police show up or crisis support?
https://jaapl.org/content/early/2020/02 ... .003929-20
You will never make everyone completely safe from violence. But crisis intervention can and does play a large role in getting family members out of an abusive house and protected from abusers. Perhaps we need more funding, education and outreach.AZOldCoot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:53 pmSo IYO, what should those victims of DV do or should have done to help prevent (or could have prevented) becoming the victims in the first place?Lemons wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:34 pmWe think of mass shootings but they are a tiny amount compared to gun murders in domestic violence cases. Even in mass shootings the shooter sometimes starts his murder spree with a family member. Women are much more likely to be murdered in their own home or workplace than anywhere else.AZOldCoot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:01 pm Honestly, he's not wrong IMO.
However, there are mass shooters who were looking for "suicide by cop," and were not in the right frame of mind at the time of their rampage.
Yet what are victims supposed to do? Wait around until the police show up or crisis support?
https://jaapl.org/content/early/2020/02 ... .003929-20
Again, the police or even crisis intervention could take too long to get to them, depending on where they live.