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Quorra2.0 wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:12 am
BobCobbMagob wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 10:42 am
Quorra2.0 wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 10:18 am

The police they don’t fear?

The quote may not use the words but it does actually mention guns by the fact that he’s aiming a gun. Words are not the only form of communication.
Kids are a lot more helpless than adults, and sadly, have to remain more helpless than adults.

That’s one of the reasons severe child abuse is one of the most unforgivable crimes…

Perhaps the quote is not trying to speak for children, but to speak to adults.
That’s why we, as a society, need to remember it takes a village. Not only to raise a child but to advocate for children. Doctors, teachers, CPS workers, grandparents, neighbors, people in line at the store seeing a child being yanked, yelled at and slapped. MYOB is all fine and great but in the process of doing this it’s children who are suffering. Now yes, calling CPS because you don’t think your sil is feeding her child enough vegetables or because your ex lets them stay up late totally petty and a myob situation BUT hearing your neighbor beat their child…not a myob situation.

I feel this quote must be taken out of context somewhere. As someone in the military, he should be extremely aware that those willing to commit the most heinous acts are not deterred by a single person, even one armed. A woman of DV isn’t going to strike fear into her abuser on her own, but her neighbor, her daddy, her brothers , sisters, mother, uncle, aunts THATs a huge part of why most abusers start with isolation.
That’s kind of the point… a woman in a DV situation shouldn’t feel like she has to wait for her brother to come save her.

It would go a lot further to stop domestic violence to completely empower a woman before she even enters into a relationship, and have the knowledge to fully defend herself before she even goes out on the first date… violent men chose specific women as partners because they know they can eventually control them. This is more about teaching a potential victim how to avoid being a target.
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WellPreserved wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:30 am
BobCobbMagob wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:27 am
Lemons wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:21 am

What’s with this “lovers” word? I am talking about domestic violence where the majority are killed by guns. Family members, people related to each other, people who know each other.
Would you feel better with the word relationship companion? Husband? Partner?


You’re right… a murder victim is most likely to be killed by someone they know. I just don’t think trying to keep a weapon away from the murderers is a real way to go about stopping domestic violence.
Do you feel red flag laws are pointless?
Not at all… why would they be pointless?
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BobCobbMagob wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:38 am
WellPreserved wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:30 am
BobCobbMagob wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:27 am

Would you feel better with the word relationship companion? Husband? Partner?


You’re right… a murder victim is most likely to be killed by someone they know. I just don’t think trying to keep a weapon away from the murderers is a real way to go about stopping domestic violence.
Do you feel red flag laws are pointless?
Not at all… why would they be pointless?
Having a gun in the home increases the risk of homicide for women 500%. Having a gun in the home increases the risk of accidental shooting for children by 400%. Why would the answer in the case of domestic violence and child abuse be to introduce a gun in the home rather than remove guns from the home?
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Disagree. A felon has already been convicted of a crime , hence a felon. The felon's potential victim will not stir any fear in the felon. However, the potential victim/target must know how to defend themselves if they are to survive/overcome the attack.
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WellPreserved wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:53 am
BobCobbMagob wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:38 am
WellPreserved wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:30 am

Do you feel red flag laws are pointless?
Not at all… why would they be pointless?
Having a gun in the home increases the risk of homicide for women 500%. Having a gun in the home increases the risk of accidental shooting for children by 400%. Why would the answer in the case of domestic violence and child abuse be to introduce a gun in the home rather than remove guns from the home?
When it comes to child abuse, that’s a whole nother story that doesn’t have anything to do with teaching the child how to stop the abuse themselves…


The gun is the easiest way to kill someone, but that doesn’t mean murderers will simply be nice again if there are no guns around. Women being killed by their partners has been the #1 reason they are killed since the beginning of humanity… we should absolutely be looking for ways to empower women who are in a situation like that, and being able to defend themselves would be a top priority. And they should know how to defend themselves in every situation, even when no gun is around…
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BobCobbMagob wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:06 pm
WellPreserved wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:53 am
BobCobbMagob wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:38 am

Not at all… why would they be pointless?
Having a gun in the home increases the risk of homicide for women 500%. Having a gun in the home increases the risk of accidental shooting for children by 400%. Why would the answer in the case of domestic violence and child abuse be to introduce a gun in the home rather than remove guns from the home?
When it comes to child abuse, that’s a whole nother story that doesn’t have anything to do with teaching the child how to stop the abuse themselves…


The gun is the easiest way to kill someone, but that doesn’t mean murderers will simply be nice again if there are no guns around. Women being killed by their partners has been the #1 reason they are killed since the beginning of humanity… we should absolutely be looking for ways to empower women who are in a situation like that, and being able to defend themselves would be a top priority. And they should know how to defend themselves in every situation, even when no gun is around…
I think giving women the ability to legally remove guns from their home or partner is empowering them.
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BobCobbMagob wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:36 am
Quorra2.0 wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:12 am
BobCobbMagob wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 10:42 am

Kids are a lot more helpless than adults, and sadly, have to remain more helpless than adults.

That’s one of the reasons severe child abuse is one of the most unforgivable crimes…

Perhaps the quote is not trying to speak for children, but to speak to adults.
That’s why we, as a society, need to remember it takes a village. Not only to raise a child but to advocate for children. Doctors, teachers, CPS workers, grandparents, neighbors, people in line at the store seeing a child being yanked, yelled at and slapped. MYOB is all fine and great but in the process of doing this it’s children who are suffering. Now yes, calling CPS because you don’t think your sil is feeding her child enough vegetables or because your ex lets them stay up late totally petty and a myob situation BUT hearing your neighbor beat their child…not a myob situation.

I feel this quote must be taken out of context somewhere. As someone in the military, he should be extremely aware that those willing to commit the most heinous acts are not deterred by a single person, even one armed. A woman of DV isn’t going to strike fear into her abuser on her own, but her neighbor, her daddy, her brothers , sisters, mother, uncle, aunts THATs a huge part of why most abusers start with isolation.
That’s kind of the point… a woman in a DV situation shouldn’t feel like she has to wait for her brother to come save her.

It would go a lot further to stop domestic violence to completely empower a woman before she even enters into a relationship, and have the knowledge to fully defend herself before she even goes out on the first date… violent men chose specific women as partners because they know they can eventually control them. This is more about teaching a potential victim how to avoid being a target.
But again that goes to it taking a village. The tools that empower a woman before she ever enters a relationship and to avoid being a target isn’t whether she can physically defend herself but having self worth, self esteem, and self love.
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WellPreserved wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:09 pm
BobCobbMagob wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:06 pm
WellPreserved wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:53 am

Having a gun in the home increases the risk of homicide for women 500%. Having a gun in the home increases the risk of accidental shooting for children by 400%. Why would the answer in the case of domestic violence and child abuse be to introduce a gun in the home rather than remove guns from the home?
When it comes to child abuse, that’s a whole nother story that doesn’t have anything to do with teaching the child how to stop the abuse themselves…


The gun is the easiest way to kill someone, but that doesn’t mean murderers will simply be nice again if there are no guns around. Women being killed by their partners has been the #1 reason they are killed since the beginning of humanity… we should absolutely be looking for ways to empower women who are in a situation like that, and being able to defend themselves would be a top priority. And they should know how to defend themselves in every situation, even when no gun is around…
I think giving women the ability to legally remove guns from their home or partner is empowering them.
They already can legally remove a gun from their own home.

But how does that empower women by taking one of the possible thousand ways they could be killed away from an abusive partner ? By removing one of the only equalizing ways to protect themselves against an attack by someone who is most likely bigger and stronger? If they’re not capable of defending themselves, they’ll eventually be killed…



But again, this quote would be more pointed at empowering the potential victim before the perpetrator even targets them…
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Quorra2.0 wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:09 pm
BobCobbMagob wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:36 am
Quorra2.0 wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:12 am

That’s why we, as a society, need to remember it takes a village. Not only to raise a child but to advocate for children. Doctors, teachers, CPS workers, grandparents, neighbors, people in line at the store seeing a child being yanked, yelled at and slapped. MYOB is all fine and great but in the process of doing this it’s children who are suffering. Now yes, calling CPS because you don’t think your sil is feeding her child enough vegetables or because your ex lets them stay up late totally petty and a myob situation BUT hearing your neighbor beat their child…not a myob situation.

I feel this quote must be taken out of context somewhere. As someone in the military, he should be extremely aware that those willing to commit the most heinous acts are not deterred by a single person, even one armed. A woman of DV isn’t going to strike fear into her abuser on her own, but her neighbor, her daddy, her brothers , sisters, mother, uncle, aunts THATs a huge part of why most abusers start with isolation.
That’s kind of the point… a woman in a DV situation shouldn’t feel like she has to wait for her brother to come save her.

It would go a lot further to stop domestic violence to completely empower a woman before she even enters into a relationship, and have the knowledge to fully defend herself before she even goes out on the first date… violent men chose specific women as partners because they know they can eventually control them. This is more about teaching a potential victim how to avoid being a target.
But again that goes to it taking a village. The tools that empower a woman before she ever enters a relationship and to avoid being a target isn’t whether she can physically defend herself but having self worth, self esteem, and self love.

So the best way for a woman to protect herself is not actually learning how to protect herself, but learning self love… because only self- hating women get into abusive relationships.
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I have been protected my entire life by police, judges and juries, and so are you, every single day that you don't have to fight for your life in a lawless land.
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