This song was written during the height of Britain’s international slave trading business. The British screaming that they will never be slaves while enslaving people all over the world and they still sing it.The nations not so blest as thee
Must, in their turn, to tyrants fall,
While thou shalt flourish great and free:
The dread and envy of them all.
Anyway, that’s kind of obscure. Doesn’t take away the fighting over slavery had begun and Jefferson was quoted as being against slavery with no intention of giving slaves their freedom even after his death. He was no role model, no real leader. And he didn’t write that speech, it was too good.
BobCobbMagob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:37 pm When I said “never becoming a slave” I was referring to how it was a Britannia age of government creation here…
They were making a new form of Britain but without a king, and taxed their way. That’s why everything was named New Jersey, New England, New York…
This was the charter, the charter of the land
And guardian angels sang this strain
Rule Britannia, Britannia, rule the waves
Britons never, never, shall be slaves
Rule Britannia, Britannia, rule the waves
Britons never, never, shall be slaves
Lemons wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:04 pm I know there are different interpretations on what he meant. Some scholars say it was deliberately vague. I still don’t see where he wrote about fear of being a white slave.
This was a start. Four years later Pennsylvania became the first state to create a law that no more babies would be born slaves. After that Massachusetts was the first to change their constitution banning slavery outright followed by surrounding states. This was all happening shortly after the speech.
I believe you about fear of slavery, I can imagine most governments were back then. I just don’t see it in writing like you claim.
BobCobbMagob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:10 pm
He was talking about his White friends, not everyone. Massachusetts had a lot more to say about it than hearing a speech they liked…
https://news.stanford.edu/press-release ... nged-time/
On July 4, 1776, when the Continental Congress adopted the historic text drafted by Thomas Jefferson, they did not intend it to mean individual equality. Rather, what they declared was that American colonists, as a people, had the same rights to self-government as other nations. Because they possessed this fundamental right, Rakove said, they could establish new governments within each of the states and collectively assume their “separate and equal station” with other nations. It was only in the decades after the American Revolutionary War that the phrase acquired its compelling reputation as a statement of individual equality.