HONOLULU (AP) — A jury on Thursday found two Native Hawaiian men guilty of a hate crime for the 2014 beating of a white man who was fixing up a house he purchased in their remote Maui neighborhood.
U.S. District Judge J. Michael Seabright ordered Kaulana Alo-Kaonohi and Levi Aki Jr. detained pending sentencing scheduled for March 2, and marshals moved to handcuff the two men after the verdict was announced in the afternoon."
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2 Hawaiian men guilty of hate crime in white man’s beating
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There is a lot of hate for Mainlanders in Hawaii. I can see why hate crime charges were brought up because hate crimes are not just based on race. So while I agree they probably didn't attack him because he was "white" it was still a hate crime because to them he was a "foreigner"
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I assume the hate crime was brought up because they’re indigenous and he was not. Aren’t native Hawaiians Polynesian? But i didn’t read the article.Baconqueen13 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:33 pm There is a lot of hate for Mainlanders in Hawaii. I can see why hate crime charges were brought up because hate crimes are not just based on race. So while I agree they probably didn't attack him because he was "white" it was still a hate crime because to them he was a "foreigner"
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It was a hate crime because the attack was based on the color of his skin. They used derogatory names in their language for a white person. I’m glad the couple settled in Puerto Rico. It would have been tough to live in a community where everyone hates you.Pjmm wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:56 pmI assume the hate crime was brought up because they’re indigenous and he was not. Aren’t native Hawaiians Polynesian? But i didn’t read the article.Baconqueen13 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:33 pm There is a lot of hate for Mainlanders in Hawaii. I can see why hate crime charges were brought up because hate crimes are not just based on race. So while I agree they probably didn't attack him because he was "white" it was still a hate crime because to them he was a "foreigner"
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Yes, they two men who attacked were Native Hawaiians and the man they attacked was a caucasian man from the continental US. They used a derogatory slur which means "white man or foreigner" in hawaiian towards him and then tried to argue "It doesn't only mean white man".Pjmm wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:56 pmI assume the hate crime was brought up because they’re indigenous and he was not. Aren’t native Hawaiians Polynesian? But i didn’t read the article.Baconqueen13 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:33 pm There is a lot of hate for Mainlanders in Hawaii. I can see why hate crime charges were brought up because hate crimes are not just based on race. So while I agree they probably didn't attack him because he was "white" it was still a hate crime because to them he was a "foreigner"
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What Haole?Lemons wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:13 pmIt was a hate crime because the attack was based on the color of his skin. They used derogatory names in their language for a white person. I’m glad the couple settled in Puerto Rico. It would have been tough to live in a community where everyone hates you.Pjmm wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:56 pmI assume the hate crime was brought up because they’re indigenous and he was not. Aren’t native Hawaiians Polynesian? But i didn’t read the article.Baconqueen13 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:33 pm There is a lot of hate for Mainlanders in Hawaii. I can see why hate crime charges were brought up because hate crimes are not just based on race. So while I agree they probably didn't attack him because he was "white" it was still a hate crime because to them he was a "foreigner"
Generally speaking (not just this story) it means white person but it depends on how it’s used because isn’t always derogatory.
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That is partially true. Sometimes it’s derogatory, sometimes it’s just stating the person’s race.Baconqueen13 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:36 pmYes, they two men who attacked were Native Hawaiians and the man they attacked was a caucasian man from the continental US. They used a derogatory slur which mean "white man or foreigner" in hawaiian towards him and then tried to argue "It doesn't only mean white man".Pjmm wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:56 pmI assume the hate crime was brought up because they’re indigenous and he was not. Aren’t native Hawaiians Polynesian? But i didn’t read the article.Baconqueen13 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:33 pm There is a lot of hate for Mainlanders in Hawaii. I can see why hate crime charges were brought up because hate crimes are not just based on race. So while I agree they probably didn't attack him because he was "white" it was still a hate crime because to them he was a "foreigner"
“She is part Haole” = She is mixed with White.
“F***ing Haole” = Derogatory insult used to describe stereotypical white people behavior.
I guess that’s the best way to explain it.
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Why would he be stating the man’s race in a fight? I think they are cracking down on hate crimes, like zero tolerance. You got a beef don’t bring race or nationality into it.SouthernIslander wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:19 pmThat is partially true. Sometimes it’s derogatory, sometimes it’s just stating the person’s race.Baconqueen13 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:36 pmYes, they two men who attacked were Native Hawaiians and the man they attacked was a caucasian man from the continental US. They used a derogatory slur which mean "white man or foreigner" in hawaiian towards him and then tried to argue "It doesn't only mean white man".
“She is part Haole” = She is mixed with White.
“F***ing Haole” = Derogatory insult used to describe stereotypical white people behavior.
I guess that’s the best way to explain it.
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Yeah but using it just before you beat the crap out of someone kind of implies it's being used in the derogatory fashion. Does it really make that much of a difference if you're describing their race or " mainland behavior"SouthernIslander wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:19 pmThat is partially true. Sometimes it’s derogatory, sometimes it’s just stating the person’s race.Baconqueen13 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:36 pmYes, they two men who attacked were Native Hawaiians and the man they attacked was a caucasian man from the continental US. They used a derogatory slur which mean "white man or foreigner" in hawaiian towards him and then tried to argue "It doesn't only mean white man".
“She is part Haole” = She is mixed with White.
“F***ing Haole” = Derogatory insult used to describe stereotypical white people behavior.
I guess that’s the best way to explain it.
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My comment was general about the term. I don’t know all the details of the altercation.Baconqueen13 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 11:45 pmYeah but using it just before you beat the crap out of someone kind of implies it's being used in the derogatory fashion. Does it really make that much of a difference if you're describing their race or " mainland behavior"SouthernIslander wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:19 pmThat is partially true. Sometimes it’s derogatory, sometimes it’s just stating the person’s race.Baconqueen13 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:36 pm
Yes, they two men who attacked were Native Hawaiians and the man they attacked was a caucasian man from the continental US. They used a derogatory slur which mean "white man or foreigner" in hawaiian towards him and then tried to argue "It doesn't only mean white man".
“She is part Haole” = She is mixed with White.
“F***ing Haole” = Derogatory insult used to describe stereotypical white people behavior.
I guess that’s the best way to explain it.