Pjmm wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 1:29 pm
BobCobbMagob wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 1:09 pm
I think people would prefer it if they weren’t Christian’s… Right? I mean that would make everything work better in our day and age…
But the evidence doesn’t really support that.
The thought is that maybe they were secretly not Christian, but even their adherence to freemasonry had an extreme bias towards Christianity and Kabbalistic teachings.
They were church members, they were baptized, they talk about being Christians in their personal writings…Washington himself was in his day known as a devout Anglican raised by a super religious woman.
Pjmm wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:30 am
From what I understand the founding fathers weren’t particularly Christian. While that might be their upbringing I think they believed in the philosophy and rational thinking that was in Europe. I heard, although I don’t know, that Ben Franklin hung with Voltaire. Certainly they were both alive in the same time period. Both Ben and Thomas Jefferson had their affairs. They weren’t living a so called Christian life. It’s possible they were also horrified over the Salem witch hunts. Although far before their time they must have known about them. I think they wanted separation of church and state to ensure their new country wouldn’t prosecute or attempt to toss out free thinkers. Don’t forget the puritans were here in the first place to escape religious persecution in Europe. So yes they wanted freedom of religion. But they wanted to be free from religion themselves. Now maybe I’m totally wrong here but that’s how I see it. I don’t believe Christianity is prosecuted here. I do think the criticisms against it is completely justified and we have a lot to answer for.
I honestly don’t care what our founding fathers were, be it Christian, Jewish or secret Chtullu worshipers.
I also don’t fully know their beliefs. I simply stated I think Franklin might have been influenced by Voltaire and other philosophers of the day. It just seems to me they wanted both religious freedom and separation of church and state. They probably wanted it because many pilgrims came fleeing religious persecution. So if you were Christian, Quaker, Catholic or a Mason you could practice as you wanted. And the government couldn’t persecute you for it. I’m not sure what their being Christian has to do with their wanting separation of church and state. Who cares?
I don’t really care lol…
This is just a spin off thought I had based on the Lauren Boebart post where her beliefs in separation of church and state were being discussed.
From an Uber Christian point of view, what she’s saying makes sense and was probably true..
From any other point of view it’s a horrific thought and not the kind of country they want to live in…
No real point I guess other than to mirror what was happening then to what’s happening today and pointing out the duality behind the country.
Words = It’s for everyone
Actions/Laws = it’s a Christian nation
It’s easy to see why there are two such opposing sides, each believing their truths…