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[RIZZY1]

That’s still true today which makes her slightly more than just a figure head. Their powers decreased over time but the people who lived through that Kenyan “conflict” implicate the monarchy. All the monarchies in Europe had power regardless of whatever government was set up along side them.

The victims of the British monarchy would like an apology. It does mean something when someone or an institution apologizes for wrongdoing as long as it’s sincere.

It's a constitutional monarchy. I am not making up the term figurehead. I used to teach this topic. She's called a figurehead for a reason. It's a constitutional monarchy.Screen Shot 2022-09-13 at 8.28.39 PM.png

Sometimes figureheads are more than they claim to be. An excellent article in NYT reads:

“We may never learn what the queen did or didn’t know about the crimes committed in her name. (What transpires in the sovereign’s weekly meetings with the prime minister remains a black box at the center of the British state.) Her subjects haven’t necessarily gotten the full story, either. Colonial officials destroyed many records that, according to a dispatch from the secretary of state for the colonies, “might embarrass Her Majesty’s government” and deliberately concealed others in a secret archive whose existence was revealed only in 2011. “

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/08/opin ... ation.html

At no point did I allude to her not knowing what was happening? What are you even talking about??

She is a figurehead, meaning she has no real political power or authority. Not that she was living under a rock.

[Lemons]

It's a constitutional monarchy. I am not making up the term figurehead. I used to teach this topic. She's called a figurehead for a reason. It's a constitutional monarchy.Screen Shot 2022-09-13 at 8.28.39 PM.png

Sometimes figureheads are more than they claim to be. An excellent article in NYT reads:

“We may never learn what the queen did or didn’t know about the crimes committed in her name. (What transpires in the sovereign’s weekly meetings with the prime minister remains a black box at the center of the British state.) Her subjects haven’t necessarily gotten the full story, either. Colonial officials destroyed many records that, according to a dispatch from the secretary of state for the colonies, “might embarrass Her Majesty’s government” and deliberately concealed others in a secret archive whose existence was revealed only in 2011. “

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/08/opin ... ation.html

At no point did I allude to her not knowing what was happening? What are you even talking about??

She is a figurehead, meaning she has no real political power or authority. Not that she was living under a rock.

I am talking about being a figurehead in name only. Weekly meetings with the prime minister, records being destroyed, others hidden. Probably not much going on these last decades but it’s naive to think that they didn’t have power behind the scene. Plus there’s debate on whether the term figurehead is even accurate given she still had some powers.

It wasn’t that long ago in terms of history that the Royal family and parliament were working together on the slave trade making millions. When the British abolished slavery in the mid 1800s they didn’t take any of their blood money to use as reparations. They used tax money to pay reparations - to the slave owners.

[Aletheia]

If you want to hold the KKK accountable, there are probably better people to target than Senator Robert Byrd.

If you want to hold colonialists accountable, there are probably better people to target than Elizabeth II (who oversaw more voluntary renunciations of colonial control than anyone else in history, before or since).

[Lemons]

If you want to hold the KKK accountable, there are probably better people to target than Senator Robert Byrd.

If you want to hold colonialists accountable, there are probably better people to target than Elizabeth II (who oversaw more voluntary renunciations of colonial control than anyone else in history, before or since).

The royal family are the ones holding on to all that blood money and jewelry. England has more stolen art in their museums than any other country. The good she might have done over the years doesn’t absolve previous crimes against humanity.

[Aletheia]

England has more stolen art in their museums than any other country.

No idea. Certainly the British Museum has quite a bit of 'gift sent by colonial governors' (ie looted). But so does the Vatican Museum, many collections in the USA and even Venice. You're possibly right.

I favour historic items being returned to the context where they have most meaning.

(Though, to be fair, I'm not in favour of them being destroyed, like recently happened in Egypt and some other countries in range of religious extremists)


(Some countries also, alas, do not have the funding or political will to look after even the artifacts they do have: https://culturalpropertynews.org/never- ... ft-to-rot/)

[Aletheia]

The good she might have done over the years doesn’t absolve previous crimes against humanity.

That's a fair point. If a monarch who is a symbolic head of state for a democracy is to the honoured for the positive actions of 'her' government (even if it's really she is 'their' soverign, like a corgi dog being a regimental mascot animal), then she should also be condemned for the negative actions of that government.

[WellPreserved]

[WellPreserved]

[Carpy]

Elizabeth was a colonizer and oppressor. That’s being glossed over. Did she start the crap that happened in Africa? No.. Did she stop it? If she did, it wasn’t right away. I can’t believe Twitter took that down with everything else that’s allowed.

You do realize she had no power to start or stop it?

[Carpy]

Prince William just inherited a 685-year old estate worth $1 billion

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/13/business ... index.html

More what he inherited was the right to live there.