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When these democratic cities with tight gun control are surrounded by republican states with loose gun control, is it really a great indication of how well the gun control works?

To really know, you'd have to take a city such as Chicago, with it's strict gun control laws, and completely close the city borders. No one gets in or out, ever. And then see how gun violence trends over the years.

That's why people want gun control laws at the federal level, because as long as our neighbors have different laws than ourselves, it's really hard to control much of anything.
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BobCobbMagob wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:22 am
Baconqueen13 wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:35 am
BobCobbMagob wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:24 am Where do people get murdered more often, Montana or New York City?

Where is the place where you have to actually worry about it… the place where people kill themselves or have hunting accidents, or the place where some random dude might shoot you because he wants your shit? Because I can give you some tips that will 100% of the time keep you safe from suicide and hunting accidents… legit crime though, I dunno…

Is it totally a coincidence that the top three states in your stats that make them look dangerous are the least populated states with low amounts of murder and the most populated states look safer even though the murder rate is exorbitantly higher? Do you think that might be some spinning of reality?

Ah see you're talking two different things. The post was about gun violence not MURDER. However when you look at the states with the highest murder rate it should be no surprise that red states also top the list. Here are the 10 states with the highest murder rate:

Louisiana (12.4 per 100k)
Missouri (9.8 per 100k)
Nevada (9.1 per 100k)
Maryland (9 per 100k)
Arkansas (8.6 per 100k)
Alaska (8.4 per 100k)
Alabama (8.3 per 100k)
Mississippi (8.2 per 100k)
Illinois (7.8 per 100k)
South Carolina (7.8 per 100k)
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state ... e-by-state

Whether those were committed with guns or not is not stated.
So sorry. All statistics are consistent in more access to guns = more gun violence and more firearm mortalities regardless of them being self inflicted or carried out against another person. You need to stop cherry picking statistics. It will never turn out in your favor.
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Louisiana, murder rate capital : New Orleans, democratic run.

Missouri , murder rate capital, St. Louis , democratic run

Nevada : MRC Vegas; democratic run

Maryland : MRC Baltimore; democratic run

Arkansas : MRC Little Rock; democrats again…

Alaska : MRC Anchorage, surprise surprise… trending blue!



Should we keep going?
Jackson, Ms is also a “murder rate capital” run by Democrats in a red state. Even Republican state leadership admits that reducing the crime rate is their responsibility too, not just the city.
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Traci_Momof2 wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:19 pm When these democratic cities with tight gun control are surrounded by republican states with loose gun control, is it really a great indication of how well the gun control works?

To really know, you'd have to take a city such as Chicago, with it's strict gun control laws, and completely close the city borders. No one gets in or out, ever. And then see how gun violence trends over the years.

That's why people want gun control laws at the federal level, because as long as our neighbors have different laws than ourselves, it's really hard to control much of anything.
NY has strict gun laws so does CT and NJ. What would you do in NY?
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SouthernIslander wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:47 pm
BobCobbMagob wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:22 am
Baconqueen13 wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:35 am

Ah see you're talking two different things. The post was about gun violence not MURDER. However when you look at the states with the highest murder rate it should be no surprise that red states also top the list. Here are the 10 states with the highest murder rate:

Louisiana (12.4 per 100k)
Missouri (9.8 per 100k)
Nevada (9.1 per 100k)
Maryland (9 per 100k)
Arkansas (8.6 per 100k)
Alaska (8.4 per 100k)
Alabama (8.3 per 100k)
Mississippi (8.2 per 100k)
Illinois (7.8 per 100k)
South Carolina (7.8 per 100k)
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state ... e-by-state

Whether those were committed with guns or not is not stated.
So sorry. All statistics are consistent in more access to guns = more gun violence and more firearm mortalities regardless of them being self inflicted or carried out against another person. You need to stop cherry picking statistics. It will never turn out in your favor.
Lol… what is the title of the post again?


Louisiana, murder rate capital : New Orleans, democratic run.

Missouri , murder rate capital, St. Louis , democratic run

Nevada : MRC Vegas; democratic run

Maryland : MRC Baltimore; democratic run

Arkansas : MRC Little Rock; democrats again…

Alaska : MRC Anchorage, surprise surprise… trending blue!



Should we keep going?
Jackson, Ms is also a “murder rate capital” run by Democrats in a red state. Even Republican state leadership admits that reducing the crime rate is their responsibility too, not just the city.
Of course, it is the state’s responsibility too. Especially when preemption laws comes into play. State law takes precedence over city/local law when they are in conflict. For example:

https://www.epi.org/blog/preemption-law ... un-safety/
In terms of advocating for a change in gun laws at the city and county level, the students, families of the victims, or anyone else won’t even have a chance because of Florida’s preemption law. “Preemption” in this context refers to a situation in which a state law is enacted to block a local ordinance from taking effect—or dismantle an existing ordinance.

Florida’s 2011 amendment to its gun preemption law is unique: Not only does it prohibit local governments from regulating guns, it allows punitive measures against local elected officials for even trying. In Florida, local elected officials on city councils or other municipal bodies are subject to personal civil penalties of up to $5,000, can be sued and held personally liable for damages of up to $100,000, and even removed from office at the discretion of the governor. And, the preemption law requires elected officials to pay their own attorney’s fees if they are sued.
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You kinda gotta look at who’s shooting people…

In Chicago , it’s gang members most of the time.Where do gang members get their guns? Illegal ways.

Does it matter if there’s 1000 hunting stores on the outskirts of the city that sell to hunters? Not really, that’s not where gang members are getting the guns anyways. The two groups of people don’t often hang out.

Is limiting the amount of hunting tools Jake the hunter can have going to somehow help Mike the gangster act more ethical and stop shooting people? Not likely….
Traci_Momof2 wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:19 pm When these democratic cities with tight gun control are surrounded by republican states with loose gun control, is it really a great indication of how well the gun control works?

To really know, you'd have to take a city such as Chicago, with it's strict gun control laws, and completely close the city borders. No one gets in or out, ever. And then see how gun violence trends over the years.

That's why people want gun control laws at the federal level, because as long as our neighbors have different laws than ourselves, it's really hard to control much of anything.
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If gun violence worries you move to the Northeast, the safest area of the country. That includes New England, New York and New Jersey. You’ll also get better public school education where gays don’t scare them and abortions are your business not the governor’s.

People who think NYC is the most violent city seem to have trouble with simple math concepts. NYC isn’t even in the top ten cities with regard to gun homicides.
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The 4th of July parade shooter was neither a hunter nor a gangster.
BobCobbMagob wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:46 am You kinda gotta look at who’s shooting people…

In Chicago , it’s gang members most of the time.Where do gang members get their guns? Illegal ways.

Does it matter if there’s 1000 hunting stores on the outskirts of the city that sell to hunters? Not really, that’s not where gang members are getting the guns anyways. The two groups of people don’t often hang out.

Is limiting the amount of hunting tools Jake the hunter can have going to somehow help Mike the gangster act more ethical and stop shooting people? Not likely….
Traci_Momof2 wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:19 pm When these democratic cities with tight gun control are surrounded by republican states with loose gun control, is it really a great indication of how well the gun control works?

To really know, you'd have to take a city such as Chicago, with it's strict gun control laws, and completely close the city borders. No one gets in or out, ever. And then see how gun violence trends over the years.

That's why people want gun control laws at the federal level, because as long as our neighbors have different laws than ourselves, it's really hard to control much of anything.
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Traci_Momof2 wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:42 am The 4th of July parade shooter was neither a hunter nor a gangster.
BobCobbMagob wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:46 am You kinda gotta look at who’s shooting people…

In Chicago , it’s gang members most of the time.Where do gang members get their guns? Illegal ways.

Does it matter if there’s 1000 hunting stores on the outskirts of the city that sell to hunters? Not really, that’s not where gang members are getting the guns anyways. The two groups of people don’t often hang out.

Is limiting the amount of hunting tools Jake the hunter can have going to somehow help Mike the gangster act more ethical and stop shooting people? Not likely….
Traci_Momof2 wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:19 pm When these democratic cities with tight gun control are surrounded by republican states with loose gun control, is it really a great indication of how well the gun control works?

To really know, you'd have to take a city such as Chicago, with it's strict gun control laws, and completely close the city borders. No one gets in or out, ever. And then see how gun violence trends over the years.

That's why people want gun control laws at the federal level, because as long as our neighbors have different laws than ourselves, it's really hard to control much of anything.
Neither was the Vegas shooter, the Parkland shooter, the Sandy Hook shooter...
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BobCobbMagob wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:46 am You kinda gotta look at who’s shooting people…

In Chicago , it’s gang members most of the time.Where do gang members get their guns? Illegal ways.

Does it matter if there’s 1000 hunting stores on the outskirts of the city that sell to hunters? Not really, that’s not where gang members are getting the guns anyways. The two groups of people don’t often hang out.

Is limiting the amount of hunting tools Jake the hunter can have going to somehow help Mike the gangster act more ethical and stop shooting people? Not likely….
Traci_Momof2 wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:19 pm When these democratic cities with tight gun control are surrounded by republican states with loose gun control, is it really a great indication of how well the gun control works?

To really know, you'd have to take a city such as Chicago, with it's strict gun control laws, and completely close the city borders. No one gets in or out, ever. And then see how gun violence trends over the years.

That's why people want gun control laws at the federal level, because as long as our neighbors have different laws than ourselves, it's really hard to control much of anything.
Extremely reductive argument, but rolling with it...You also have to look at the tools. The hunter and the gangster aren't using the same ones. We can limit the gangster ones without much impact on the hunting ones. Unless you use an AR or a high-capacity handgun for hunting? I suspect you are doing it wrong if that is the case... /s (don't come at me with terminology nitpicking, we all know what I am talking about and I don't give a shit if I'm using the correct word or not).
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BobCobbMagob wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:46 am You kinda gotta look at who’s shooting people…

In Chicago , it’s gang members most of the time.Where do gang members get their guns? Illegal ways.

Does it matter if there’s 1000 hunting stores on the outskirts of the city that sell to hunters? Not really, that’s not where gang members are getting the guns anyways. The two groups of people don’t often hang out.

Is limiting the amount of hunting tools Jake the hunter can have going to somehow help Mike the gangster act more ethical and stop shooting people? Not likely….
Traci_Momof2 wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:19 pm When these democratic cities with tight gun control are surrounded by republican states with loose gun control, is it really a great indication of how well the gun control works?

To really know, you'd have to take a city such as Chicago, with it's strict gun control laws, and completely close the city borders. No one gets in or out, ever. And then see how gun violence trends over the years.

That's why people want gun control laws at the federal level, because as long as our neighbors have different laws than ourselves, it's really hard to control much of anything.
In Mississippi, the streets take advantage of states’ lenient gun laws to access firearm illegally. Comparing the murder rate alone, if Jackson was the size of Chicago, the number of bodies would be drastically higher.
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