Should the January 6th rioters get pardons?

[Lemons]

For far-left extremists like Antifa was tearing up shit for political clout, not social injustice or else they would have backed off when a large number of the Black community complained about their behavior doing more damage.

All due respect, I don't advise using Jim Crow and The Civil Rights movement to justify a lot of bullshit coming from the left because you don't know enough about it for the argument to stick. Civil Rights generation WAS NOT going to protests to pick fights and terrorizing people over who they voted for while wearing masks avoid accountability. They weren't inserting themselves into battles uninvited and making shit worse. That is not what fighting for freedom looked like and it's not what got Jim Crow overturned.

Malcolm X started calling out the left on this decades ago and the behavior has gotten much worse. I do not speak for all minorities but exploiting oppression for political clout is just as bad as what happened on January 6. Democrats have got to get out of thinking that they are the lesser of two evils and that makes them better than the right because it doesn't.

I fully agree that rioting is the voice of the unheard, but it was still way too many who ran with that and took it way too far.

You bought into the antifa story that MAGA used to try and deflect the violence caused by their White Supremacist violence at the BLM and January 6. You’re taking some small time fistfights between people who claim to be anarchists and White Supremacists and turning them in “equals”. Are you kidding? And the claims that Jan 6 was antifa dressed as Trump supporters was widely claimed in right wing news. All lies.

When discussing major protests in American history that changed the country, why would I skip the Civil Rights protests? And Malcom X was an agitator who thought violence was the way to go. What does he have to do with anything?

And currently in this time in history Democrats are the lesser of two evils. It was the state of Texas that held a Conservative Political Action Committee where the guest of honor speaker was authoritarian leader of Hungary Victor Orban.

Orban wants Muslims banned from Europe. He said in a speech “ It’s fine for Europeans to mingle with one another, Orban said, but it’s not alright for them to mix with others — non-Europeans, that is — because “we do not want to become peoples of mixed race.”
A few years before that he claimed “ We (Hungarians) do not want our own color, traditions and national culture to be mixed with those of others."

Orban is a role model to Trump and his followers along with Bolsonaro and Lukashenko and silently with Putin. All men who don’t believe in individual freedoms. If you can find something as equally disturbing and dangerous going on with liberals I’ll agree with you. But I don’t even think they have any organizations like CPAC?

https://www.salon.com/2022/08/05/a-chri ... pac-texas/

I never said Antifa was involved on January 6 but everybody ain't lying on them either.

You mentioned the Civil Rights Movement and Malcolm X will always have more to do with that conversation then you ever will. I mentioned it because I wanted to see your response to a Black Civil Rights leader who doesn't align with your political leaning. Your response was pretty much minimizing the far left's behavior to a petty "fist fight" and deemed Malcolm X a violent agitator who has no place in a conversation about movement that he helped innovate.

Malcolm X knew he was putting his life on the line when he publicly held himself and Nation of Islam accountable before leaving. His racial views drastically changed after his trip to Mecca and why he extended the olive branch to MLK before he was assassinated. Also, his belief in the use of force was to fight severe oppression, not assault people over who they voted for. If he can hold himself accountable in that environment...asking Democrats to hold far left extremists accountable for using Black people as pawns to justify violence is NOT too much to ask for.

I disagree. If Democrats were seen as the lesser of two evils with confidence at this point in history, Hillary would have won that first election and Biden wouldn't have barely won the second.

You missed the entire point. My points were about Americans, not extremists or Black people or whatever, but Americans making big changes by using protests. I mentioned the civil rights protests as a protest creating major changes in the country because it’s a prime example of protests working. Same with the Vietnam protests. Same with the original protest the Boston Tea Party. All historically significant. These helped create what type of country we are. There is no extreme right or extreme left involved in these examples.

There’s a movement in this country and Eastern Europe and certainly Russia that is moving towards authoritarianism and extremism and in the blink of an eye democracy disappears. Look at Russia, Belarus, Bulgaria, Hungary, Georgia. And their leaders all friends of Trump and MAGA followers. It’s not both sides.

[SouthernIslander]

You bought into the antifa story that MAGA used to try and deflect the violence caused by their White Supremacist violence at the BLM and January 6. You’re taking some small time fistfights between people who claim to be anarchists and White Supremacists and turning them in “equals”. Are you kidding? And the claims that Jan 6 was antifa dressed as Trump supporters was widely claimed in right wing news. All lies.

When discussing major protests in American history that changed the country, why would I skip the Civil Rights protests? And Malcom X was an agitator who thought violence was the way to go. What does he have to do with anything?

And currently in this time in history Democrats are the lesser of two evils. It was the state of Texas that held a Conservative Political Action Committee where the guest of honor speaker was authoritarian leader of Hungary Victor Orban.

Orban wants Muslims banned from Europe. He said in a speech “ It’s fine for Europeans to mingle with one another, Orban said, but it’s not alright for them to mix with others — non-Europeans, that is — because “we do not want to become peoples of mixed race.”
A few years before that he claimed “ We (Hungarians) do not want our own color, traditions and national culture to be mixed with those of others."

Orban is a role model to Trump and his followers along with Bolsonaro and Lukashenko and silently with Putin. All men who don’t believe in individual freedoms. If you can find something as equally disturbing and dangerous going on with liberals I’ll agree with you. But I don’t even think they have any organizations like CPAC?

https://www.salon.com/2022/08/05/a-chri ... pac-texas/

I never said Antifa was involved on January 6 but everybody ain't lying on them either.

You mentioned the Civil Rights Movement and Malcolm X will always have more to do with that conversation then you ever will. I mentioned it because I wanted to see your response to a Black Civil Rights leader who doesn't align with your political leaning. Your response was pretty much minimizing the far left's behavior to a petty "fist fight" and deemed Malcolm X a violent agitator who has no place in a conversation about movement that he helped innovate.

Malcolm X knew he was putting his life on the line when he publicly held himself and Nation of Islam accountable before leaving. His racial views drastically changed after his trip to Mecca and why he extended the olive branch to MLK before he was assassinated. Also, his belief in the use of force was to fight severe oppression, not assault people over who they voted for. If he can hold himself accountable in that environment...asking Democrats to hold far left extremists accountable for using Black people as pawns to justify violence is NOT too much to ask for.

I disagree. If Democrats were seen as the lesser of two evils with confidence at this point in history, Hillary would have won that first election and Biden wouldn't have barely won the second.

You missed the entire point. My points were about Americans, not extremists or Black people or whatever, but Americans making big changes by using protests. I mentioned the civil rights protests as a protest creating major changes in the country because it’s a prime example of protests working. Same with the Vietnam protests. Same with the original protest the Boston Tea Party. All historically significant. These helped create what type of country we are. There is no extreme right or extreme left involved in these examples.

There’s a movement in this country and Eastern Europe and certainly Russia that is moving towards authoritarianism and extremism and in the blink of an eye democracy disappears. Look at Russia, Belarus, Bulgaria, Hungary, Georgia. And their leaders all friends of Trump and MAGA followers. It’s not both sides.

I don’t care about your stance on Boston Tea party, Europe, Putin, Republicans or whoever.

I said what I said and so did you….no point was missed. I mean this with all due respect….take the feedback or leave it.

Know your shit and your place before you drag Black people and Jim Crow into the discussion for left leaning clout, especially if you’re biggity enough to challenge Malcolm X’s place in the movement.

Any other argument that has nothing to do with the point listed above is irrelevant.

[Lemons]

I never said Antifa was involved on January 6 but everybody ain't lying on them either.

You mentioned the Civil Rights Movement and Malcolm X will always have more to do with that conversation then you ever will. I mentioned it because I wanted to see your response to a Black Civil Rights leader who doesn't align with your political leaning. Your response was pretty much minimizing the far left's behavior to a petty "fist fight" and deemed Malcolm X a violent agitator who has no place in a conversation about movement that he helped innovate.

Malcolm X knew he was putting his life on the line when he publicly held himself and Nation of Islam accountable before leaving. His racial views drastically changed after his trip to Mecca and why he extended the olive branch to MLK before he was assassinated. Also, his belief in the use of force was to fight severe oppression, not assault people over who they voted for. If he can hold himself accountable in that environment...asking Democrats to hold far left extremists accountable for using Black people as pawns to justify violence is NOT too much to ask for.

I disagree. If Democrats were seen as the lesser of two evils with confidence at this point in history, Hillary would have won that first election and Biden wouldn't have barely won the second.

You missed the entire point. My points were about Americans, not extremists or Black people or whatever, but Americans making big changes by using protests. I mentioned the civil rights protests as a protest creating major changes in the country because it’s a prime example of protests working. Same with the Vietnam protests. Same with the original protest the Boston Tea Party. All historically significant. These helped create what type of country we are. There is no extreme right or extreme left involved in these examples.

There’s a movement in this country and Eastern Europe and certainly Russia that is moving towards authoritarianism and extremism and in the blink of an eye democracy disappears. Look at Russia, Belarus, Bulgaria, Hungary, Georgia. And their leaders all friends of Trump and MAGA followers. It’s not both sides.

I don’t care about your stance on Boston Tea party, Europe, Putin, Republicans or whoever.

I said what I said and so did you….no point was missed. I mean this with all due respect….take the feedback or leave it.

Know your shit and your place before you drag Black people and Jim Crow into the discussion for left leaning clout, especially if you’re biggity enough to challenge Malcolm X’s place in the movement.

Any other argument that has nothing to do with the point listed above is irrelevant.

Again, way over your head. I don’t have a “stance” on anything. These historical protests were about how protests can change a country. Nothing to do with left leaning, democrats, republicans, Black people, White people.

I shouldn’t have bothered responding to you inserting Malcom X when individuals had nothing to do with protesting in general. First, none of these protests mentioned are left leaning or right leaning. They were protests to right some wrongs and they worked. And if you think I can’t have an opinion on Malcom X you are way out of line.

[SouthernIslander]

You missed the entire point. My points were about Americans, not extremists or Black people or whatever, but Americans making big changes by using protests. I mentioned the civil rights protests as a protest creating major changes in the country because it’s a prime example of protests working. Same with the Vietnam protests. Same with the original protest the Boston Tea Party. All historically significant. These helped create what type of country we are. There is no extreme right or extreme left involved in these examples.

There’s a movement in this country and Eastern Europe and certainly Russia that is moving towards authoritarianism and extremism and in the blink of an eye democracy disappears. Look at Russia, Belarus, Bulgaria, Hungary, Georgia. And their leaders all friends of Trump and MAGA followers. It’s not both sides.

I don’t care about your stance on Boston Tea party, Europe, Putin, Republicans or whoever.

I said what I said and so did you….no point was missed. I mean this with all due respect….take the feedback or leave it.

Know your shit and your place before you drag Black people and Jim Crow into the discussion for left leaning clout, especially if you’re biggity enough to challenge Malcolm X’s place in the movement.

Any other argument that has nothing to do with the point listed above is irrelevant.

Again, way over your head. I don’t have a “stance” on anything. These historical protests were about how protests can change a country. Nothing to do with left leaning, democrats, republicans, Black people, White people.

I shouldn’t have bothered responding to you inserting Malcom X when individuals had nothing to do with protesting in general. First, none of these protests mentioned are left leaning or right leaning. They were protests to right some wrongs and they worked. And if you think I can’t have an opinion on Malcom X you are way out of line.

No you shouldn’t have said anything at all.

You can have your uneducated opinion of X all you want. But what you’re not going to go is make excuses for far left extremists using Black people as pawns like is just “petty fist fights” and bash X as an agitator because he wasn’t kissing the left’s ass.

It is not and will never be your place or your business to tell me I’m out of line about my own community or history.

We cool lemons, but you got me all kinds of fucked up if you think you’re gonna gas light me on this one.