SouthernIslander wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:23 pm
Lemons wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:18 pm
SouthernIslander wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:32 pm
I have heard people on the left saying that Pence did not do enough to speak out against Trump’s beef with the election. I don’t remember your stance on it either, so that’s why I said my comment wasn’t directly at you specifically.
No, the left is definitely guilty of hypocrisy too. We’ll get a lot further once both parties realize the the opposing side isn’t the only one who is guilty of this.
This isn’t a competition of which side has the worst rioters. Only difference is one reason is more understandable than the other but the actual act itself is no different.
Burning down a police station is wrong and tearing up the capital is also wrong.
True Pence could have said a little more than he did but he’s prob hoping it all goes away.
Your right it’s not a competition nor is it both sides. That’s why it didn’t make sense that bionic compared them. Reverse it with this narrative - Democrats attack the White House with deadly weapons and try to get at Trump. In the meantime White MAGAs are tearing up cities protesting because they are upset about Democrats passing a bill that will effect them negatively. In this case the Democrats would have done something much more grievous and dangerous. white MAGAs would have been protesting an injustice. Democrats would have been committing treason.
Protests against unfairness or injustice have changed the country for the better. The Boston Tea Party started a revolution. Vietnam protests helped end the war. Civil rights protests started the tear down of Jim Crow laws and brought the start of equality.
BLM was the latest protest about injustice. It became out of control and was too violent but it also started some real change and awareness not unlike the civil rights protests of the 1960’s.
None of these are comparable to Jan 6. A riot where people in charge of the country were willing to make outrageous claims and dangerous lie and a small group of Americans were willing to do their bidding at the expense of a democratically held election. Even if that meant killing elected lawmakers.
For far-left extremists like Antifa was tearing up shit for political clout, not social injustice or else they would have backed off when a large number of the Black community complained about their behavior doing more damage.
All due respect, I don't advise using Jim Crow and The Civil Rights movement to justify a lot of bullshit coming from the left because you don't know enough about it for the argument to stick. Civil Rights generation WAS NOT going to protests to pick fights and terrorizing people over who they voted for while wearing masks avoid accountability. They weren't inserting themselves into battles uninvited and making shit worse. That is not what fighting for freedom looked like and it's not what got Jim Crow overturned.
Malcolm X started calling out the left on this decades ago and the behavior has gotten much worse. I do not speak for all minorities but exploiting oppression for political clout is just as bad as what happened on January 6. Democrats have got to get out of thinking that they are the lesser of two evils and that makes them better than the right because it doesn't.
I fully agree that rioting is the voice of the unheard, but it was still way too many who ran with that and took it way too far.
You bought into the antifa story that MAGA used to try and deflect the violence caused by their White Supremacist violence at the BLM and January 6. You’re taking some small time fistfights between people who claim to be anarchists and White Supremacists and turning them in “equals”. Are you kidding? And the claims that Jan 6 was antifa dressed as Trump supporters was widely claimed in right wing news. All lies.
When discussing major protests in American history that changed the country, why would I skip the Civil Rights protests? And Malcom X was an agitator who thought violence was the way to go. What does he have to do with anything?
And currently in this time in history Democrats are the lesser of two evils. It was the state of Texas that held a Conservative Political Action Committee where the guest of honor speaker was authoritarian leader of Hungary Victor Orban.
Orban wants Muslims banned from Europe. He said in a speech “ It’s fine for Europeans to mingle with one another, Orban said, but it’s not alright for them to mix with others — non-Europeans, that is — because “we do not want to become peoples of mixed race.”
A few years before that he claimed “ We (Hungarians) do not want our own color, traditions and national culture to be mixed with those of others."
Orban is a role model to Trump and his followers along with Bolsonaro and Lukashenko and silently with Putin. All men who don’t believe in individual freedoms. If you can find something as equally disturbing and dangerous going on with liberals I’ll agree with you. But I don’t even think they have any organizations like CPAC?
https://www.salon.com/2022/08/05/a-chri ... pac-texas/