Trump 2020

[WellPreserved]

To put it simply, I disagree.

I believe as citizens, we have a right to demand better candidates vs taking the position of voting for the lesser of two evils.

I won't be a party to making a decision of which one of these two presidential candidates can muck this country up even more than it is already.

I also disagree that any citizen who chooses not to vote does not have a voice. In fact, in being silent, our voices ARE indeed being heard.

Sometimes you can’t vote for what you want and must therefore vote against what you don’t. It’s sad, but it’s actually something that’s happening in almost all democratic countries: people vote against the candidate they don’t want even if the alternative doesn’t seem that much better.
I, for example, would’ve had to support Trump for a second term if Sanders had been the candidate. Because I think Sanders will be a complete disaster, even worst than Trump. He was the only candidate that would make go for Trump. Believe me, I dreaded every second that he seemed to be on top. As it is, then I will go for Biden. Because as much as I don’t like him and many of his policies and positions, I think he will do better than Trump. So I may be voting for removing Trump from the WH rather than for Biden, but unfortunately, those go hand in hand. So I’ll do what I have to do to try to prevent the worst possible outcome even if the alternative isn’t ideal either. Otherwise we can’t complain, because people who decided to just let things happen really shouldn’t complain when things go badly if they could’ve tried to prevent and decided not to.

Don't blame them. Blame his opponent.

If these folks like myself who stayed home felt that Clinton was the one to be the kind of POTUS they/I wanted, we would have voted for her.

We didn't she was worthy of our vote either.

I'm not sure staying home makes a statement as 50% of Americans generally stay home/don't vote in presidential elections. If you can't find a candidate on the ballot that you can comfortably vote for, write in a candidate. And seriously, stay home? What about all the other positions and initiatives that are on the ballot? If you can't bear the choice between the multiple presidential candidates on any given ballot, don't you at least have an opinion on your local or state elected officials or initiatives?

Frankly, this is the problem with many American voters. They don't take their local and state elections seriously and then bitch about our presidential candidates.

[Deleted User 203]

To put it simply, I disagree.

I believe as citizens, we have a right to demand better candidates vs taking the position of voting for the lesser of two evils.

I won't be a party to making a decision of which one of these two presidential candidates can muck this country up even more than it is already.

I also disagree that any citizen who chooses not to vote does not have a voice. In fact, in being silent, our voices ARE indeed being heard.

Sometimes you can’t vote for what you want and must therefore vote against what you don’t. It’s sad, but it’s actually something that’s happening in almost all democratic countries: people vote against the candidate they don’t want even if the alternative doesn’t seem that much better.
I, for example, would’ve had to support Trump for a second term if Sanders had been the candidate. Because I think Sanders will be a complete disaster, even worst than Trump. He was the only candidate that would make go for Trump. Believe me, I dreaded every second that he seemed to be on top. As it is, then I will go for Biden. Because as much as I don’t like him and many of his policies and positions, I think he will do better than Trump. So I may be voting for removing Trump from the WH rather than for Biden, but unfortunately, those go hand in hand. So I’ll do what I have to do to try to prevent the worst possible outcome even if the alternative isn’t ideal either. Otherwise we can’t complain, because people who decided to just let things happen really shouldn’t complain when things go badly if they could’ve tried to prevent and decided not to.

I'm not sure staying home makes a statement as 50% of Americans generally stay home/don't vote in presidential elections. If you can't find a candidate on the ballot that you can comfortably vote for, write in a candidate. And seriously, stay home? What about all the other positions and initiatives that are on the ballot? If you can't bear the choice between the multiple presidential candidates on any given ballot, don't you at least have an opinion on your local or state elected officials or initiatives?

Frankly, this is the problem with many American voters. They don't take their local and state elections seriously and then bitch about our presidential candidates.

I don't find that a lot of voters don't take the elections seriously. Quite the contrary, actually, in that they are fed-up with who our options are to choose from and simply want better vs making that choice of the "lesser of two evils (as I've already written).

I've not said I am staying home. I have simply stated that I won't be voting for a POTUS again in this upcoming election. There are plenty of things I plan to vote for or against in November.

But neither will be Trump or Biden.

[Deleted User 203]

The same way you feel we can and should given the past few years of posting with you here and the constant complaints from you about Trump and his supporters.

Maybe less voting of the lesser of those two evils will help? Perhaps then we might get better candidates running for both parties and not just for POTUS.

You can show up at the polls, sure, but is that all so many of us will be left with? The voting between who's bad to who is worse?

Perhaps it should no longer be a matter of "ANY citizen" that is over 35 being able to run for POTUS?

Just some thoughts ^^ and because right now, to many U.S. voting citizens, the pickings are quite slim.

We live in a democracy where anyone can run for office. Any citizen over the age of 35 can run for President. How can you demand that better people run? How would that even work?

Getting rid of the corrupt, rotten politicians is something that unfortunately takes a long time. You have to start at your local gov't, then county, then state, then Presidential. That's how so many dem govs got into office.

Also, it takes big bucks to win a political campaign. When you live in a completely corrupt state like IL, completely controlled by the dems, Republican candidates don't stand much of a chance. I know my vote is negated on the state and national levels because of the overwhelming number of dems in the state, but I still vote. Our forefathers and ancestors have fought many wars to guarantee our right to vote among many other rights.

I hate to disagree with you but, no, the silent voices are not heard. Remember, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

This will be one of those rare times we'll have to agree to disagree.

[Mommamia]

The same way you feel we can and should given the past few years of posting with you here and the constant complaints from you about Trump and his supporters.

Maybe less voting of the lesser of those two evils will help? Perhaps then we might get better candidates running for both parties and not just for POTUS.

You can show up at the polls, sure, but is that all so many of us will be left with? The voting between who's bad to who is worse?

Perhaps it should no longer be a matter of "ANY citizen" that is over 35 being able to run for POTUS?

Just some thoughts ^^ and because right now, to many U.S. voting citizens, the pickings are quite slim.

Getting rid of the corrupt, rotten politicians is something that unfortunately takes a long time. You have to start at your local gov't, then county, then state, then Presidential. That's how so many dem govs got into office.

Also, it takes big bucks to win a political campaign. When you live in a completely corrupt state like IL, completely controlled by the dems, Republican candidates don't stand much of a chance. I know my vote is negated on the state and national levels because of the overwhelming number of dems in the state, but I still vote. Our forefathers and ancestors have fought many wars to guarantee our right to vote among many other rights.

I hate to disagree with you but, no, the silent voices are not heard. Remember, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

This will be one of those rare times we'll have to agree to disagree.

And that's OK.

[LiveWhatULove]

I do not know one person that will actually be voting based on the character of the actual candidate, so beyond entertainment value, any further mockery of Trump or Biden‘s shortcomings is a moot point.

Majority will vote for the political party, which is common in any election, but even more so in this year.

[Lemons]

I do not know one person that will actually be voting based on the character of the actual candidate, so beyond entertainment value, any further mockery of Trump or Biden‘s shortcomings is a moot point.

Majority will vote for the political party, which is common in any election, but even more so in this year.

Unless the candidates character is so lacking that the person cannot vote for the person even though it’s their party. Trump is the first president in history that is so lacking in character, honesty, competence, trustworthiness, that he has every prominent member of his party refusing to support him. Because of this Trump’s supporters are trying to make Biden his equal in lacking character.

This is no normal election. But you’re right. People who claim “neither of them” are full of shit. Vote on the issues.

[LiveWhatULove]

I do not know one person that will actually be voting based on the character of the actual candidate, so beyond entertainment value, any further mockery of Trump or Biden‘s shortcomings is a moot point.

Majority will vote for the political party, which is common in any election, but even more so in this year.

Unless the candidates character is so lacking that the person cannot vote for the person even though it’s their party. Trump is the first president in history that is so lacking in character, honesty, competence, trustworthiness, that he has every prominent member of his party refusing to support him. Because of this Trump’s supporters are trying to make Biden his equal in lacking character.

This is no normal election. But you’re right. People who claim “neither of them” are full of shit. Vote on the issues.

I understand the frustration. I concur with your assessment of Trump. I DO NOT support him, however, I believe Biden has onset of dementia and a long history sexual inappropriateness. But I understand if others feel my perception is inaccurate, rarely does everybody agree in politics, 'tis natural. The world spins on.

[WellPreserved]

I do not know one person that will actually be voting based on the character of the actual candidate, so beyond entertainment value, any further mockery of Trump or Biden‘s shortcomings is a moot point.

Majority will vote for the political party, which is common in any election, but even more so in this year.

Unless the candidates character is so lacking that the person cannot vote for the person even though it’s their party. Trump is the first president in history that is so lacking in character, honesty, competence, trustworthiness, that he has every prominent member of his party refusing to support him. Because of this Trump’s supporters are trying to make Biden his equal in lacking character.

This is no normal election. But you’re right. People who claim “neither of them” are full of shit. Vote on the issues.

I think people often forget that they are not only electing a president, they are also electing by default a future cabinet. While Biden was probably my least favorite among the democratic candidates, I trust that he will appoint an effective cabinet. Trump has proved that he is incapable.

[Lemons]

I do not know one person that will actually be voting based on the character of the actual candidate, so beyond entertainment value, any further mockery of Trump or Biden‘s shortcomings is a moot point.

Majority will vote for the political party, which is common in any election, but even more so in this year.

Unless the candidates character is so lacking that the person cannot vote for the person even though it’s their party. Trump is the first president in history that is so lacking in character, honesty, competence, trustworthiness, that he has every prominent member of his party refusing to support him. Because of this Trump’s supporters are trying to make Biden his equal in lacking character.

This is no normal election. But you’re right. People who claim “neither of them” are full of shit. Vote on the issues.

I understand the frustration. I concur with your assessment of Trump. I DO NOT support him, however, I believe Biden has onset of dementia and a long history sexual inappropriateness. But I understand if others feel my perception is inaccurate, rarely does everybody agree in politics, 'tis natural. The world spins on.

Watching him over the years, I don't believe he is sexually inappropriate. Unaware that his touch is not always welcome, but not everything is sexual. The pendulum might have swung too far to the other side where we paint everything as having an underlying evil. I do believe that both Biden and Trump are showing signs of their advanced age and maybe we should think about some age limits. We already don't allow anyone under 35 years old, maybe we should also cap it on the other end.