Trump Orders Stop of N95 Masks to Canada

[winterglow]

I saw it very early this morning on Facebook and thought it might be a hoax because of the site it was coming from. I didn't open it. Looking at this now - https://globalnews.ca/news/6772979/coro ... mp-canada/

There are two sides to this story.

From the U.S. side, I can see how Trump can be held to answer why he is allowing essential medical supplies to be sent to Canada, which is a much, much less infected country than the U.S. is when there is a shortage at home.

From the Canadian side, Canada supplies many surgical supplies to the U.S., including ventilators. Even though Canada is short on ventilators, with unwavering support, Canada continues to supply them to the U.S. Also, in the midst of medical personnel getting sick with COVID-19, Canada still is helping with up to 1,000 medical personnel to the U.S., when Canada is short itself.

The issue with the 3M supplied N95 masks is not about need because both nations have manufacturing industries shifting production to supply more. The issue is about cooperation.

I can see both sides. My immediate thought is this Nationalism Trump so firmly believes in is going to harm the US in the long term. We must, it's essential, to work together.

If the US were to wind up with his version of "America First" without any trade with other countries and trying to produce everything for our insatiable appetites for goods, ultimately we don't have enough people to work in manufacturing to supply all of our needs and wants.

This is not a good thing. It could leave us really isolated. It could lead to our being kicked out of the bases we've built all over the world, and that impacts a lot more than just material goods and trade.

Maybe I'm overthinking, I don't know, but it's truly concerning, imo.

Before worrying about the supply of goods, I think I'd be more concerned about the supply of pharmaceuticals. Germany, Switzerland, Belgium and France (in that order) supply over 50% of US requirements.

[Valentina327]

This is not the time to be selfish and globally isolate ourselves. This is the time when nations need to cooperate with each other and come together. This short sighted solution is not a solution at all. Working together globally is the only way we are all going to get through this.

It's not a permanent condition and it's not global isolation. It's a prioritization based on immediate need. No one says this is forever.

If we are to be the next the expect this "wave", if we have more active cases than the next, then this should be the area of focus for now. Until we're past the worst. Then supplies should be diverted to the next hard hit after we are stabilized. Priorities.

That would be fine if that is what happened, but it isn't.

Donald Trump ordered a shipment of masks that Germany had already bought and paid for the be confiscated as they were en route to German Police officers.

China also turned ships around to divert supplies away from the US because they were needed by them.

Germany has significantly fewer cases than we do plus they keep talking about this "wave" that's coming to us. When there's a finite amount of something, it has to be prioritized.

Everyone is up in arms that our health care workers have a shortage of equipment and are screaming that more needs to be done to get them as much PPE as they need.
And rightfully so.

I'd bet you a million dollars that if he didn't do this, then the screeching would be "he's letting our equipment be exported. What the hell is wrong with him. We need that all here. He probably just wants the money!!!"

Trump is protecting our people. That's what he's supposed to do.

What would you do? Seriously. What would be your solution? Let our first responders be exposed in favor of German police being protected from a POSSIBLE exposure? How much contact do THEY actually have with people that have this virus?

Our medical staff is treating people with this virus, directly, hands on and they're CONFIRMED cases. If they don't have equipment, they're 100% going to be exposed working on these wards.

Logic dictates that healthcare workers should get supplies over police, as the healthcare workers are in constant, DIRECT physical contact with these patients that they KNOW for sure have this virus.

Police MAY encounter someone. What's the infection rate in Germany? About 11% of the population? And everyone is supposed to be staying in, so how many people really are on the streets for police interaction? How many infected people are the police REALLY going to potentially encounter? And how physically close are most police interactions?

Compare that to the hospital staff working in a covid ward. They're 100% going to be exposed, directly and in close quarters. Guaranteed.

Who needs that protection more now?

In the event of a loss of cabin pressure, put your own oxygen mask on before helping the person in the seat next to you ... Priorities.

[Frau Holle]

It's not a permanent condition and it's not global isolation. It's a prioritization based on immediate need. No one says this is forever.

If we are to be the next the expect this "wave", if we have more active cases than the next, then this should be the area of focus for now. Until we're past the worst. Then supplies should be diverted to the next hard hit after we are stabilized. Priorities.

That would be fine if that is what happened, but it isn't.

Donald Trump ordered a shipment of masks that Germany had already bought and paid for the be confiscated as they were en route to German Police officers.

China also turned ships around to divert supplies away from the US because they were needed by them.

Germany has significantly fewer cases than we do plus they keep talking about this "wave" that's coming to us. When there's a finite amount of something, it has to be prioritized.

Everyone is up in arms that our health care workers have a shortage of equipment and are screaming that more needs to be done to get them as much PPE as they need.
And rightfully so.

I'd bet you a million dollars that if he didn't do this, then the screeching would be "he's letting our equipment be exported. What the hell is wrong with him. We need that all here. He probably just wants the money!!!"

Trump is protecting our people. That's what he's supposed to do.

What would you do? Seriously. What would be your solution? Let our first responders be exposed in favor of German police being protected from a POSSIBLE exposure? How much contact do THEY actually have with people that have this virus?

Our medical staff is treating people with this virus, directly, hands on and they're CONFIRMED cases. If they don't have equipment, they're 100% going to be exposed working on these wards.

Logic dictates that healthcare workers should get supplies over police, as the healthcare workers are in constant, DIRECT physical contact with these patients that they KNOW for sure have this virus.

Police MAY encounter someone. What's the infection rate in Germany? About 11% of the population? And everyone is supposed to be staying in, so how many people really are on the streets for police interaction? How many infected people are the police REALLY going to potentially encounter? And how physically close are most police interactions?

Compare that to the hospital staff working in a covid ward. They're 100% going to be exposed, directly and in close quarters. Guaranteed.

Who needs that protection more now?

In the event of a loss of cabin pressure, put your own oxygen mask on before helping the person in the seat next to you ... Priorities.

You don't rip it off of their head though, do you?

If that happens, and everyone survives once the plane lands, it's not going to be a very friendly situation.

[jas]

The situation is basically this : You call the grocery store, order a bag of apples and pay for them over the phone. While the delivery boy is riding his bike over to your house to deliver them, he is knocked off his bike and the bag of apples is taken by someone saying he needs them more. You have now just had your apples stolen and you will go hungry because what you planned on eating won't arrive.


If the situation were : You call the store to order apples and the grocer says "Sorry, we don't have any to sell", that would be fine, because you know he also has other customers who really need them and now you have forewarning that you need to find something else to eat so you don't go hungry. Then no one would be upset and everyone could properly plan.





This is why people are so upset.

And that was very wrong!

[Linda_Runs]

It's not a permanent condition and it's not global isolation. It's a prioritization based on immediate need. No one says this is forever.

If we are to be the next the expect this "wave", if we have more active cases than the next, then this should be the area of focus for now. Until we're past the worst. Then supplies should be diverted to the next hard hit after we are stabilized. Priorities.

That would be fine if that is what happened, but it isn't.

Donald Trump ordered a shipment of masks that Germany had already bought and paid for the be confiscated as they were en route to German Police officers.

China also turned ships around to divert supplies away from the US because they were needed by them.

Germany has significantly fewer cases than we do plus they keep talking about this "wave" that's coming to us. When there's a finite amount of something, it has to be prioritized.

Everyone is up in arms that our health care workers have a shortage of equipment and are screaming that more needs to be done to get them as much PPE as they need.
And rightfully so.

I'd bet you a million dollars that if he didn't do this, then the screeching would be "he's letting our equipment be exported. What the hell is wrong with him. We need that all here. He probably just wants the money!!!"

Trump is protecting our people. That's what he's supposed to do.

What would you do? Seriously. What would be your solution? Let our first responders be exposed in favor of German police being protected from a POSSIBLE exposure? How much contact do THEY actually have with people that have this virus?

Our medical staff is treating people with this virus, directly, hands on and they're CONFIRMED cases. If they don't have equipment, they're 100% going to be exposed working on these wards.

Logic dictates that healthcare workers should get supplies over police, as the healthcare workers are in constant, DIRECT physical contact with these patients that they KNOW for sure have this virus.

Police MAY encounter someone. What's the infection rate in Germany? About 11% of the population? And everyone is supposed to be staying in, so how many people really are on the streets for police interaction? How many infected people are the police REALLY going to potentially encounter? And how physically close are most police interactions?

Compare that to the hospital staff working in a covid ward. They're 100% going to be exposed, directly and in close quarters. Guaranteed.

Who needs that protection more now?

In the event of a loss of cabin pressure, put your own oxygen mask on before helping the person in the seat next to you ... Priorities.

I have a few observations to make where the relationship between Canada and the U.S. is different than others, if you don't mind.

On 9/11 when hundreds of U.S. owned flights with thousands of American citizens on board could not return to the U.S. but had nowhere to land, Canada made an exception to it's own airspace to not only allow all flights to land, but to host these thousands of Americans in Canada totally free of charge.

During the three wars that resulted from 9/11, Canada stood side by side with the U.S. on the ground, on the sea and in the air in support of the cause.

As much as half of the pharmaceuticals used in the U.S. are made outside of the U.S., many in Canada. The Canadian commitment to U.S. interests and the American people has been unwavering for decades.

Currently Canada has a huge shortage of medical personnel, yet each day about 1,400 Canadian medical personnel go to the U.S. to help with this pandemic and other medical issues.

Now that the U.S. is hurting a little more than Canada, the American people are to say, "Screw you Canada! We are not going to help, but please continue to help us."

This is not how neighbours act!


About China, they actually sent 50,000 N95 masks to Canada as a return gesture for the help we gave them during their time of need. I really, really, truly hope that the administration of the U.S. doesn't need a lesson from China.

[Lexy]

That would be fine if that is what happened, but it isn't.

Donald Trump ordered a shipment of masks that Germany had already bought and paid for the be confiscated as they were en route to German Police officers.

China also turned ships around to divert supplies away from the US because they were needed by them.

Germany has significantly fewer cases than we do plus they keep talking about this "wave" that's coming to us. When there's a finite amount of something, it has to be prioritized.

Everyone is up in arms that our health care workers have a shortage of equipment and are screaming that more needs to be done to get them as much PPE as they need.
And rightfully so.

I'd bet you a million dollars that if he didn't do this, then the screeching would be "he's letting our equipment be exported. What the hell is wrong with him. We need that all here. He probably just wants the money!!!"

Trump is protecting our people. That's what he's supposed to do.

What would you do? Seriously. What would be your solution? Let our first responders be exposed in favor of German police being protected from a POSSIBLE exposure? How much contact do THEY actually have with people that have this virus?

Our medical staff is treating people with this virus, directly, hands on and they're CONFIRMED cases. If they don't have equipment, they're 100% going to be exposed working on these wards.

Logic dictates that healthcare workers should get supplies over police, as the healthcare workers are in constant, DIRECT physical contact with these patients that they KNOW for sure have this virus.

Police MAY encounter someone. What's the infection rate in Germany? About 11% of the population? And everyone is supposed to be staying in, so how many people really are on the streets for police interaction? How many infected people are the police REALLY going to potentially encounter? And how physically close are most police interactions?

Compare that to the hospital staff working in a covid ward. They're 100% going to be exposed, directly and in close quarters. Guaranteed.

Who needs that protection more now?

In the event of a loss of cabin pressure, put your own oxygen mask on before helping the person in the seat next to you ... Priorities.

I have a few observations to make where the relationship between Canada and the U.S. is different than others, if you don't mind.

On 9/11 when hundreds of U.S. owned flights with thousands of American citizens on board could not return to the U.S. but had nowhere to land, Canada made an exception to it's own airspace to not only allow all flights to land, but to host these thousands of Americans in Canada totally free of charge.

During the three wars that resulted from 9/11, Canada stood side by side with the U.S. on the ground, on the sea and in the air in support of the cause.

As much as half of the pharmaceuticals used in the U.S. are made outside of the U.S., many in Canada. The Canadian commitment to U.S. interests and the American people has been unwavering for decades.

Currently Canada has a huge shortage of medical personnel, yet each day about 1,400 Canadian medical personnel go to the U.S. to help with this pandemic and other medical issues.

Now that the U.S. is hurting a little more than Canada, the American people are to say, "Screw you Canada! We are not going to help, but please continue to help us."

This is not how neighbours act!


About China, they actually sent 50,000 N95 masks to Canada as a return gesture for the help we gave them during their time of need. I really, really, truly hope that the administration of the U.S. doesn't need a lesson from China.

Canada has maybe 11,000 cases. NY have over 100,000. US in total has 275,000. That is way more than hurting a little bit. I would think once the apex happens here and it slows down that we would send the equipment from NY to wherever it is needed.

[highlandmum]

I don't see where the criticism NOW is coming from. There's a more urgent need here. His critics complain he's not doing enough. He's prioritizing, which is what he's supposed to do as the leader.

His critics complain that there's no federal help and it's being left to the states. There is now federal help by his diverting supplies and requiring them to remain where the need is urgent. This is now being criticized.

You're all nuts.

3M is even saying this will have the opposite result of what he is trying to achieve. Linamar will not send needed ventilators, Bauer the needed face shields, the 1400 health care workers may be stopped from going to Detroit. Do you see where this is heading?

I have a friend who used to work there, did they always manufacturer ventilators or were they retooled to manufacture them in light of our current situation?
Honestly, I can't blame Canada for retaliating like that. Hopefully we can start production of masks in Canada, so we don't have to rely on the states for them.

They make car parts. They are partnering with a ventilator manufacturer to retool.

[jas]

China also turned ships around to divert supplies away from the US because they were needed by them.

Germany has significantly fewer cases than we do plus they keep talking about this "wave" that's coming to us. When there's a finite amount of something, it has to be prioritized.

Everyone is up in arms that our health care workers have a shortage of equipment and are screaming that more needs to be done to get them as much PPE as they need.
And rightfully so.

I'd bet you a million dollars that if he didn't do this, then the screeching would be "he's letting our equipment be exported. What the hell is wrong with him. We need that all here. He probably just wants the money!!!"

Trump is protecting our people. That's what he's supposed to do.

What would you do? Seriously. What would be your solution? Let our first responders be exposed in favor of German police being protected from a POSSIBLE exposure? How much contact do THEY actually have with people that have this virus?

Our medical staff is treating people with this virus, directly, hands on and they're CONFIRMED cases. If they don't have equipment, they're 100% going to be exposed working on these wards.

Logic dictates that healthcare workers should get supplies over police, as the healthcare workers are in constant, DIRECT physical contact with these patients that they KNOW for sure have this virus.

Police MAY encounter someone. What's the infection rate in Germany? About 11% of the population? And everyone is supposed to be staying in, so how many people really are on the streets for police interaction? How many infected people are the police REALLY going to potentially encounter? And how physically close are most police interactions?

Compare that to the hospital staff working in a covid ward. They're 100% going to be exposed, directly and in close quarters. Guaranteed.

Who needs that protection more now?

In the event of a loss of cabin pressure, put your own oxygen mask on before helping the person in the seat next to you ... Priorities.

I have a few observations to make where the relationship between Canada and the U.S. is different than others, if you don't mind.

On 9/11 when hundreds of U.S. owned flights with thousands of American citizens on board could not return to the U.S. but had nowhere to land, Canada made an exception to it's own airspace to not only allow all flights to land, but to host these thousands of Americans in Canada totally free of charge.

During the three wars that resulted from 9/11, Canada stood side by side with the U.S. on the ground, on the sea and in the air in support of the cause.

As much as half of the pharmaceuticals used in the U.S. are made outside of the U.S., many in Canada. The Canadian commitment to U.S. interests and the American people has been unwavering for decades.

Currently Canada has a huge shortage of medical personnel, yet each day about 1,400 Canadian medical personnel go to the U.S. to help with this pandemic and other medical issues.

Now that the U.S. is hurting a little more than Canada, the American people are to say, "Screw you Canada! We are not going to help, but please continue to help us."

This is not how neighbours act!


About China, they actually sent 50,000 N95 masks to Canada as a return gesture for the help we gave them during their time of need. I really, really, truly hope that the administration of the U.S. doesn't need a lesson from China.

Canada has maybe 11,000 cases. NY have over 100,000. US in total has 275,000. That is way more than hurting a little bit. I would think once the apex happens here and it slows down that we would send the equipment from NY to wherever it is needed.

That puts things into a different perspective. (still wrong on the ones that were paid for by Germany though)

[Linda_Runs]

China also turned ships around to divert supplies away from the US because they were needed by them.

Germany has significantly fewer cases than we do plus they keep talking about this "wave" that's coming to us. When there's a finite amount of something, it has to be prioritized.

Everyone is up in arms that our health care workers have a shortage of equipment and are screaming that more needs to be done to get them as much PPE as they need.
And rightfully so.

I'd bet you a million dollars that if he didn't do this, then the screeching would be "he's letting our equipment be exported. What the hell is wrong with him. We need that all here. He probably just wants the money!!!"

Trump is protecting our people. That's what he's supposed to do.

What would you do? Seriously. What would be your solution? Let our first responders be exposed in favor of German police being protected from a POSSIBLE exposure? How much contact do THEY actually have with people that have this virus?

Our medical staff is treating people with this virus, directly, hands on and they're CONFIRMED cases. If they don't have equipment, they're 100% going to be exposed working on these wards.

Logic dictates that healthcare workers should get supplies over police, as the healthcare workers are in constant, DIRECT physical contact with these patients that they KNOW for sure have this virus.

Police MAY encounter someone. What's the infection rate in Germany? About 11% of the population? And everyone is supposed to be staying in, so how many people really are on the streets for police interaction? How many infected people are the police REALLY going to potentially encounter? And how physically close are most police interactions?

Compare that to the hospital staff working in a covid ward. They're 100% going to be exposed, directly and in close quarters. Guaranteed.

Who needs that protection more now?

In the event of a loss of cabin pressure, put your own oxygen mask on before helping the person in the seat next to you ... Priorities.

I have a few observations to make where the relationship between Canada and the U.S. is different than others, if you don't mind.

On 9/11 when hundreds of U.S. owned flights with thousands of American citizens on board could not return to the U.S. but had nowhere to land, Canada made an exception to it's own airspace to not only allow all flights to land, but to host these thousands of Americans in Canada totally free of charge.

During the three wars that resulted from 9/11, Canada stood side by side with the U.S. on the ground, on the sea and in the air in support of the cause.

As much as half of the pharmaceuticals used in the U.S. are made outside of the U.S., many in Canada. The Canadian commitment to U.S. interests and the American people has been unwavering for decades.

Currently Canada has a huge shortage of medical personnel, yet each day about 1,400 Canadian medical personnel go to the U.S. to help with this pandemic and other medical issues.

Now that the U.S. is hurting a little more than Canada, the American people are to say, "Screw you Canada! We are not going to help, but please continue to help us."

This is not how neighbours act!


About China, they actually sent 50,000 N95 masks to Canada as a return gesture for the help we gave them during their time of need. I really, really, truly hope that the administration of the U.S. doesn't need a lesson from China.

Canada has maybe 11,000 cases. NY have over 100,000. US in total has 275,000. That is way more than hurting a little bit. I would think once the apex happens here and it slows down that we would send the equipment from NY to wherever it is needed.

You have to look at the infection rates in terms of per capita.

[Lexy]

https://www.google.com/covid19-map/