The purpose of a personal lawyer was and still is the Mueller investigation.Francee89 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:22 pmIf it was a legitimate investigation, why was he using his personal lawyer as his errand boy rather than going through the official, appropriate channels? Why was the aid released after he knew he was under investigation, but before Ukraine did anything to prove there was no corruption either domestically or on the part of any company?Valentina327 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:16 pm I still think it's ludicrous that everyone is fighting to impeach Trump because the left contends that he wanted to know if Biden is truly a grifter BEFORE he had the chance to get into office and continue his crime spree unfettered.
The President absolutely should investigate corruption in all forms, ESPECIALLY where it's our money being potentially abused by a foreign government.
If Biden is crooked, would you really want him in office?
If you're looking for an alternative to Trump for 2020, don't you want to know of this guy is dirty before he's the only choice on the ballot for the democrats? I know I do.
“Continue his crime spree”? What evidence of any crime on Biden’s part is there? And given that Trump is a proven grifter - fraudulent charities and Trump University - does that disqualify him from the Presidency?
Is *a* president's reelection in the public interest??
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Yes. Which makes him an extremely odd choice for a secret government investigation of corruption in Ukraine that an actual government employee later called a “domestic political errand”. Particularly when the same personal lawyer has said he was working in the interests of his client, not the country.Carpy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:04 pmThe purpose of a personal lawyer was and still is the Mueller investigation.Francee89 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:22 pmIf it was a legitimate investigation, why was he using his personal lawyer as his errand boy rather than going through the official, appropriate channels? Why was the aid released after he knew he was under investigation, but before Ukraine did anything to prove there was no corruption either domestically or on the part of any company?Valentina327 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:16 pm I still think it's ludicrous that everyone is fighting to impeach Trump because the left contends that he wanted to know if Biden is truly a grifter BEFORE he had the chance to get into office and continue his crime spree unfettered.
The President absolutely should investigate corruption in all forms, ESPECIALLY where it's our money being potentially abused by a foreign government.
If Biden is crooked, would you really want him in office?
If you're looking for an alternative to Trump for 2020, don't you want to know of this guy is dirty before he's the only choice on the ballot for the democrats? I know I do.
“Continue his crime spree”? What evidence of any crime on Biden’s part is there? And given that Trump is a proven grifter - fraudulent charities and Trump University - does that disqualify him from the Presidency?
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First, it’s not the left, it’s the majority of citizens who want him impeached. You keep forgetting you’re in the minority in clinging to the lie that it was about investigating Biden. It wasn’t. This has been proven and verified and as long as you refuse to read anything and repeat the same thing over and over you will never get it. You are part of the low information minority.Francee89 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:22 pmIf it was a legitimate investigation, why was he using his personal lawyer as his errand boy rather than going through the official, appropriate channels? Why was the aid released after he knew he was under investigation, but before Ukraine did anything to prove there was no corruption either domestically or on the part of any company?Valentina327 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:16 pm I still think it's ludicrous that everyone is fighting to impeach Trump because the left contends that he wanted to know if Biden is truly a grifter BEFORE he had the chance to get into office and continue his crime spree unfettered.
The President absolutely should investigate corruption in all forms, ESPECIALLY where it's our money being potentially abused by a foreign government.
If Biden is crooked, would you really want him in office?
If you're looking for an alternative to Trump for 2020, don't you want to know of this guy is dirty before he's the only choice on the ballot for the democrats? I know I do.
“Continue his crime spree”? What evidence of any crime on Biden’s part is there? And given that Trump is a proven grifter - fraudulent charities and Trump University - does that disqualify him from the Presidency?
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You can’t be serious.
First, yes. Whenever there’s corruption it should be investigated. But then do it openly and lawfully. Trump didn’t do that. He did it in a shady manner and abusing his position to pressure a foreign government by withdrawing economic aid into getting the results he wanted. In one word: blackmail.
If Biden is crooked? How naive of you. In politics EVERYONE is crooked to a certain degree. Trump is one of the most crooked people on the planet, do YOU want him in office?
At this point I actually prefer Biden to either Trump or Sanders. Because both of them are disastrous to America. I would take a guy who did a crooked thing but that could be a good leader than 2 guys who are probably equally crooked and each can hurt America.
First, yes. Whenever there’s corruption it should be investigated. But then do it openly and lawfully. Trump didn’t do that. He did it in a shady manner and abusing his position to pressure a foreign government by withdrawing economic aid into getting the results he wanted. In one word: blackmail.
If Biden is crooked? How naive of you. In politics EVERYONE is crooked to a certain degree. Trump is one of the most crooked people on the planet, do YOU want him in office?
At this point I actually prefer Biden to either Trump or Sanders. Because both of them are disastrous to America. I would take a guy who did a crooked thing but that could be a good leader than 2 guys who are probably equally crooked and each can hurt America.
Valentina327 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:16 pm I still think it's ludicrous that everyone is fighting to impeach Trump because the left contends that he wanted to know if Biden is truly a grifter BEFORE he had the chance to get into office and continue his crime spree unfettered.
The President absolutely should investigate corruption in all forms, ESPECIALLY where it's our money being potentially abused by a foreign government.
If Biden is crooked, would you really want him in office?
If you're looking for an alternative to Trump for 2020, don't you want to know of this guy is dirty before he's the only choice on the ballot for the democrats? I know I do.
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pinkbutterfly66 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:33 pmDershowitz should be disbarred.jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:26 pm This is apparently the bananas argument Dershowitz is making on behalf of the president.
"If the president does something that he thinks will help him get elected, in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment."
Is this really what you want to go with?
I don't expect any better from someone who was Epstein's lawyer.
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That's a ridiculous statement, especially considering who's occupying the WH right now. Are you sure you want us to go down this road?Valentina327 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:16 pm I still think it's ludicrous that everyone is fighting to impeach Trump because the left contends that he wanted to know if Biden is truly a grifter BEFORE he had the chance to get into office and continue his crime spree unfettered.
The President absolutely should investigate corruption in all forms, ESPECIALLY where it's our money being potentially abused by a foreign government.
If Biden is crooked, would you really want him in office?
If you're looking for an alternative to Trump for 2020, don't you want to know of this guy is dirty before he's the only choice on the ballot for the democrats? I know I do.
Then why isn't he investigating Saudi Arabia or Israel or Egypt or...?
Trump is a crook. Do you deny that?
If you're not looking for an alternative to Trump, you must be happy with a crook occupying the highest office and the remnant that is the GOP. I don't want either of them.
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I am hearing you and am in agreement with you.Valentina327 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:16 pm I still think it's ludicrous that everyone is fighting to impeach Trump because the left contends that he wanted to know if Biden is truly a grifter BEFORE he had the chance to get into office and continue his crime spree unfettered.
The President absolutely should investigate corruption in all forms, ESPECIALLY where it's our money being potentially abused by a foreign government.
If Biden is crooked, would you really want him in office?
If you're looking for an alternative to Trump for 2020, don't you want to know of this guy is dirty before he's the only choice on the ballot for the democrats? I know I do.
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AZLizardLady wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:53 pmI am hearing you and am in agreement with you.Valentina327 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:16 pm I still think it's ludicrous that everyone is fighting to impeach Trump because the left contends that he wanted to know if Biden is truly a grifter BEFORE he had the chance to get into office and continue his crime spree unfettered.
The President absolutely should investigate corruption in all forms, ESPECIALLY where it's our money being potentially abused by a foreign government.
If Biden is crooked, would you really want him in office?
If you're looking for an alternative to Trump for 2020, don't you want to know of this guy is dirty before he's the only choice on the ballot for the democrats? I know I do.