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No, you haven’t. If you think there’s a chance of transmission when viral loads are undetectable, you are uneducated. Both of those things are facts.jas wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:24 pmI have, thanks. It has happened and it still happens. Check the world, not just your back yard.
Diseases mutate, also fact. You want contaminated sperm? go for it. But to do so in the name of revamping a "stigma" is asinine.SolidlyAverage wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:33 pmNo, you haven’t. If you think there’s a chance of transmission when viral loads are undetectable, you are uneducated. Both of those things are facts.
Please cite your source demonstrating that there is risk. A recent source, mind you (normally I wouldn’t feel the need to specify, but you seem to have a very distant relationship with research).jas wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:43 pmDiseases mutate, also fact. You want contaminated sperm? go for it. But to do so in the name of revamping a "stigma" is asinine.SolidlyAverage wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:33 pmNo, you haven’t. If you think there’s a chance of transmission when viral loads are undetectable, you are uneducated. Both of those things are facts.
I think so. I don't remember the year he got the virus but it was the nineties. I believe he was still playing at the time.AllofFive19 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:20 pmYa, it's been just a couple years shy of 3 decades, right?Pjmm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:09 pmYour athlete could have some recessive gene for God knows what. I'll take a normal guy who has a good sense of humor, is loving, kind and has good character. As for the bank and immune systems Idk Magic Johnson is doing well and has been for what, twenty five years? I remember thinking he wouldn't live this long. He got sick when it was still often a death sentence.water<wine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:00 am Don't these people take all sorts of medications and have weakened immune systems? Sorry, if I am PAYING for sperm it better be from a HEALTHY 6ft, fit Nordic athlete, organic diet, high IQ individual.
But if people want to pay for "stigmatized" sperm just to virtue signal that's on them.
I think so tooPjmm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:27 pmI think so. I don't remember the year he got the virus but it was the nineties. I believe he was still playing at the time.AllofFive19 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:20 pmYa, it's been just a couple years shy of 3 decades, right?Pjmm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:09 pm
Your athlete could have some recessive gene for God knows what. I'll take a normal guy who has a good sense of humor, is loving, kind and has good character. As for the bank and immune systems Idk Magic Johnson is doing well and has been for what, twenty five years? I remember thinking he wouldn't live this long. He got sick when it was still often a death sentence.
Feb 2019SolidlyAverage wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:41 pmPlease cite your source demonstrating that there is risk. A recent source, mind you (normally I wouldn’t feel the need to specify, but you seem to have a very distant relationship with research).jas wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:43 pmDiseases mutate, also fact. You want contaminated sperm? go for it. But to do so in the name of revamping a "stigma" is asinine.SolidlyAverage wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:33 pm
No, you haven’t. If you think there’s a chance of transmission when viral loads are undetectable, you are uneducated. Both of those things are facts.
If you can’t, STFU.
and I wouldnt KNOWINGLY choose someone with a recessive gene for say cystic fibrosis just to "break a stigma". I would do everything in my control to have the healthiest baby with the best genes. it doesn't have to be "would you rather", if you're paying for sperm, it becomes a product and you are perfectly justified in being discriminating.Pjmm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:09 pmYour athlete could have some recessive gene for God knows what. I'll take a normal guy who has a good sense of humor, is loving, kind and has good character. As for the bank and immune systems Idk Magic Johnson is doing well and has been for what, twenty five years? I remember thinking he wouldn't live this long. He got sick when it was still often a death sentence.water<wine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:00 am Don't these people take all sorts of medications and have weakened immune systems? Sorry, if I am PAYING for sperm it better be from a HEALTHY 6ft, fit Nordic athlete, organic diet, high IQ individual.
But if people want to pay for "stigmatized" sperm just to virtue signal that's on them.
To me this is all hypothetical anyway since I don't want more kids. My point is I wouldn't necessarily choose an athlete. I want different characteristics for the father of my children. Also you never know. I found out, sadly that heart disease runs on my ex's side. He died very young. Too late to worry about it now. My second point was I'm not sure HIV drugs ruin a man's immune system since Magic Johnson apparently beat the odds given to him at the time. But if the virus isn't present in the sperm then it seems to me there's no more problem than what my boys face- an increased risk of heart disease. In the end we all choose what we wish. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't.water<wine wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:10 amand I wouldnt KNOWINGLY choose someone with a recessive gene for say cystic fibrosis just to "break a stigma". I would do everything in my control to have the healthiest baby with the best genes. it doesn't have to be "would you rather", if you're paying for sperm, it becomes a product and you are perfectly justified in being discriminating.Pjmm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:09 pmYour athlete could have some recessive gene for God knows what. I'll take a normal guy who has a good sense of humor, is loving, kind and has good character. As for the bank and immune systems Idk Magic Johnson is doing well and has been for what, twenty five years? I remember thinking he wouldn't live this long. He got sick when it was still often a death sentence.water<wine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:00 am Don't these people take all sorts of medications and have weakened immune systems? Sorry, if I am PAYING for sperm it better be from a HEALTHY 6ft, fit Nordic athlete, organic diet, high IQ individual.
But if people want to pay for "stigmatized" sperm just to virtue signal that's on them.