If your heart doesn’t break for asylum seekers, you may have a spiritual heart condition

[Deleted User 1018]

If they would actually show up for their court hearings....my “heart condition” would begin to heal. If so many, wouldn’t work the system just to disappear into the void call America, maybe I would be much more empathetic than I am now.

These days, I am more empathic to the number of homeless people living on the streets in almost every city in America, who, by the way is largely ignored, because people are more worried about Jose Chavez, who can’t speak a single word of English beyond maybe being able to say “f**k Trump”, being able to illegally enter the US.

How many families don’t show up for their court hearings?

How many homeless are there currently living on the street ?

What’s the Trump administration doing about this homeless problem you speak of? What’s the current plan to help alleviate this problem?

I would have to research to answer the first two questions. That last two questions, I think it is safe to say nothing is a being or done by anybody. They’re to busy with impeachment stuff.

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Momto2boys973 wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019 05:40
Well, well, well, I’m guessing you won’t be getting pissed anymore when stereotypes of Always Trumpers start coming up, right? Or is it only OK to stereotype and demean when YOU do it?

haha, I never did. I dont claim to be a tolerant leftist. YOU and your allies will claim to be tolerant, will claim sterotypes or generalizations are wrong (some illegals are rapists/drug dealers) (mexico is a shithole country) then turn around and do the same. you will claim stereotyping Chicago or balitmore, SF as dangerous or dirty cities is prejudiced but do the same with the south. I never complained about your cute little nicknames. I have always supported free speech here for all - but skip makes censorship rules and she's being consistent with the hypocrites, good on her. you always do this. I point out prince harry is a hypocrite for flying private jets while espousing climate activism, you defend him by pointing out trump flies on private jets. where you are lost, trump never claimed to be a climate activist. he never told people they shouldnt fly while flying himself. hes not a hypocrite in that regard so your comparison makes no sense.

Having said that, being capable of empathy and compassion doesn’t mean one has to live in poverty in order to help. - no you dont and being against mass illegal immigration and using scruitiny to determine LEGITIMATE asylum cases doesnt mean you lack all compassion and empathy. This post is suggesting if you dont agree with their perspective you have no heart. I was mearly pointing out that what is consdiered empathetic and compassion is subjective. Most westerners can sacrifice a lot more than they do but they choose not to. then to demand others abide by YOUR (general) standards when you yourself have room to give is very hypocritical. Funny how you despise socialism and then come with such a socialist concept. - again I was using a rhetorical argument to point out that she could give more but chooses not to therefore we are all a little selfish. it is completely subjective how much is "enough", but by claiming you either accept all illegals as refugees or you are a heartless monster is emotional manipulation and a logical fallacy. AND HYPOCRITICAL

It also doesn’t mean that that person has to single handedly be the solution to a problem.

- no it doesnt, so its pretty unfair to suggest if someone disagrees with the left's particular solutions being the only right method or perspective, they then are immoral heartless monsters. thanks for helping my argument.

My heart breaks every time I see an abused animal, that doesn’t mean I have to adopt every stray I run into or that I have to deny myself all comfort to save puppies. Are you trying to help my argument? so why do we have to "adopt" every person who crosses our border w/o permission? It also doesn’t mean that I can’t judge animal abusers as despicable and disgusting individuals.

- sure you can, dont judge americans as the "Abusers" though. we didnt make them break the law and come here w/o permission. blame them for not doing it legally, blame the governments of the nations these people come from, blame drug cartels, blame gangs. (those are the abusers) Do you feel bad for, let’s say, abused American kids at all? I mean, I’m sure we can agree that those do deserve your compassion, right? So are YOU giving up all your “luxuries” to save all the abused children of America? How many have you adopted? - once again, you are helping my argument. I am not shaming people as heartless for not wanting mass uncontrolled immigration. I am pointing out that people suggesting this are not perfect benedictine monks themselves giving up all but the clothes on their backs for others therefore THEY should NOT put demands on ME.

But I see by your comment why Trump’s tactic of vilifying immigrants has worked so well amongst his followers.

- trump didn't dehumanize immigrants, he made true comments. Some are drug dealers and rapists and some are good people. that is what he said. the MEDIA chose to spread the message he dehumanized them when he didn't, by selectively editing almost everything he says..

"When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best," Trump said. "They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. Their rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." the point here is if we dont know who is crossing we dont screen out rapists, drug dealers, and criminals. they come across too. there are "good people" wanting a better economic situation but that still doesnt make them legitimate refugees. that doesnt justify abusing refugee programs to allow economic migrants to take spots from people actually fleeing war and persecution. that still shouldnt mean they get to cut in line of other "good people" waiting to get in.

his job is to make sure people coming here are not a threat. borders are necessary for that. DISCRIMINATION is necessary for that. we cant take in the whole world so we have to come up with standards and limits.

It dehumanizes these people and makes them unworthy of any compassion and empathy. Just like Hitler did with Jews.

- um no. I cant believe you think border control is comparable to genocide. wtf?
water<wine wrote: ↑10 Nov 2019 14:13




I find it very difficult to read your text and can't see your links at all. I'd like to read them but just can't.

There you go. thanks for taking the time to try to read.
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Thanks for changing the color!

I'm not going to address each point but rather make some general observations/perspective. I am NOT for open borders. There must be laws and processes for people from any country entering our country to go through whether that is obtaining a VISA or claiming asylum. When watching the mass migration of asylum seekers traveling across Central America in caravans, it was obvious that some in the group were asylum seekers and some were economic migrants. Our decision to basically close the ports of entry resulted to all in the caravans trying to enter our border to cross illegally. That was our first mistake. Asylum seekers should be processed according to our established criteria, quickly and efficiently, and changing that criteria - criminalizing illegal border crossing - was as a country our second mistake. Instigating a family separation policy as order to act a deterrent was our third, horrific, mistake. Requiring asylum seekers to remain in Mexico, again as a deterrent, was our fourth and most egregious mistake.

You like to claim that the numbers of economic migrants are much higher than those claiming legitimate asylum. I'm not seeing that. Of course this is anecdotal, but a group I'm associated with has met and received testimonies from the few thousand asylum seekers that we meet and their claims seem valid - actually their experiences have been horrific. We also follow up with these families and almost all have attended their court hearings. We make sure that they have transportation and legal representation so the numbers are obviously high.

Again, I'm not for open borders. I think every claim should be heard and judged on the merit with subsequent court follow up. I think those who overstay visas should be deported. I also want to see a path to citizenship for DREAMERS as well as those who have lived, worked, and paid taxes in the US for a substantial period of time. Undocumented immigrants who commit felonies should be deported. Basically I would like to see immigration policy have a bit of compassion. This administration has none of that.

The stay in Mexico policy is cruel. Sure, some of those required to stay are economic migrants and shouldn't be allowed asylum status in the US. But many of those living in tent cities at the border are families with valid asylum claims. Many are CHILDREN. I'm sorry, but to have no empathy for these people is IMO heartless, cruel, and lacking in values that I thought most Americans had.

It's kind of easy to dismiss an entire group of people who you think might contain a "few bad hombres". I just don't roll that way and am saddened that so many in this country seem to be okay with it.

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If they would actually show up for their court hearings....my “heart condition” would begin to heal. If so many, wouldn’t work the system just to disappear into the void call America, maybe I would be much more empathetic than I am now.

These days, I am more empathic to the number of homeless people living on the streets in almost every city in America, who, by the way is largely ignored, because people are more worried about Jose Chavez, who can’t speak a single word of English beyond maybe being able to say “f**k Trump”, being able to illegally enter the US.

How many families don’t show up for their court hearings?

How many homeless are there currently living on the street ?

What’s the Trump administration doing about this homeless problem you speak of? What’s the current plan to help alleviate this problem?

Here: as of 2018, there were 553,000 homeless people in America, with Cali and NY with the highest population.

In 2018 35,502 were granted asylum in this country. It takes 6mos -2 years for an asylum request to be processed.

One article I read, about 44% actually show up for court. Still looking for an actual number of asylum seekers.

[Deleted User 203]

I don’t understand your last paragraph? Should refugee and asylum non profits be required to donate a percentage of funds to US citizens? Certainly that is not what you’re trying to say.

You stated "charitable organizations," and did not specify that they're designed exclusively for refugees and asylum seekers in your original question to me.

That makes a difference.

I still don't understand your position on charitable giving for asylum seekers. If my husband's church wants to sponsor or financially support asylum seekers, do you feel that they need to provide for US citizens first? Aren't charities allowed to give to the causes they support without "US first" requirements?

I feel they should provide for U.S. citizens as welll.

My question is why would a charity not want to help U.S. citizens, too, where many are in dire need of the assistance too?

Many times, these charities will receive funds to help with local communities. If they're choosing to only support asylum seekers, are they being upfront and honest about that to those who donate?

[Lemons]

You stated "charitable organizations," and did not specify that they're designed exclusively for refugees and asylum seekers in your original question to me.

That makes a difference.

I still don't understand your position on charitable giving for asylum seekers. If my husband's church wants to sponsor or financially support asylum seekers, do you feel that they need to provide for US citizens first? Aren't charities allowed to give to the causes they support without "US first" requirements?

I feel they should provide for U.S. citizens as welll.

My question is why would a charity not want to help U.S. citizens, too, where many are in dire need of the assistance too?

Many times, these charities will receive funds to help with local communities. If they're choosing to only support asylum seekers, are they being upfront and honest about that to those who donate?

Charities have very strict rules they need to follow. Just ask Trump who got caught breaking every one of them and had to pay $2 million dollars of his own money for stealing charity money.

You can go to a website like Charity Navigator and find out which charity gives to what cause. Some are very broad, some are very narrow in what they use the funds for. Then people decide if they want to help Americans or penguins in Antarctica.