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If your heart doesn’t break for asylum seekers, you may have a spiritual heart condition

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Unread post Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:16 pm

water<wine wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:13 pm
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:09 pm
"We have developed a heart condition in America and in the American church. Our hearts have become hardened to the hurt in our world.

I’m not saying this to shame but to state what has happened as a result of the constant bombardment of bad news coming at us in images and interviews and analysis 24/7. It hurts too much to feel all the pain in the world and so we have turned off our feelings, shut them down, in order to keep on keeping on."

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... OFk92i9iQ0
answer honestly, how much of your money goes to charity? how much could you cut to help others.
think about this- give up all luxuries, downgrade your home, give up your car and walk, go vegetarian, give up all materialism.

you'd save thousands of dollars a year and you could give all of that to people living in severe poverty all over the world. but you wont.

the average bleeding heart lib will not give up their soy milk lattes, avocado toast, blue hair dye, expensive clothes, accessories, homes, cars, cable, Iphones, Mac computers, $100k college educations etc for complete strangers. they will NOT invite desperate strangers into their homes.

hell they wont even give a dollar to the homeless masses in their own cities. so excuse me if this seems like emotional manipulation to me.
I can't answer for all liberals and admittedly I'm probably a little unique. I grew up in a Christian household who took 10% tithe seriously and expanded that ideal to 10% of time volunteering. While I'm no longer Christian, my family is still really committed to that degree of giving, if not more. I would consider us lower middle class but we donate 10% of our income. We volunteer regularly - currently with organizations who focus on food security and those who assist asylum seekers. I've never had a soy milk latte, blue hair dye, expensive clothes, etc. and we've chosen to give up cable. Don't take my avocado toast away!
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Unread post Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:24 pm

water<wine wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:25 pm
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:01 pm
True. The heartlessness of some people is appalling, as is the way they try to justify it.
The vilification of innocent people trying to make a better life for themselves and their children disgusts me. Only someone with little empathy and compassion can sink that low.
so you'd be ok if 25 million uninvited american southerners were living in Mexico collecting welfare and they just kept on coming. hundreds of thousands per month just kept coming. then your government decides to decriminalize their border crossings, give free healthcare, all welfare to them, and creates a grant for them funded with billions of dollars in tax payer money to pay for their legal defenses. so of course EVEN MORE WILL COME. wouldnt mind at all huh?
The climate down in Mexico sure would be better for me, healthwise. Makes me wonder now wth I stay in the state I grew up in, in the country I'm a citizen of, with the cold winters.... when Mexico would be so much better for me. Maybe momto2 could sponsor me?
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Unread post Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:28 pm

water<wine wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:13 pm
msb64 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:09 pm
"We have developed a heart condition in America and in the American church. Our hearts have become hardened to the hurt in our world.

I’m not saying this to shame but to state what has happened as a result of the constant bombardment of bad news coming at us in images and interviews and analysis 24/7. It hurts too much to feel all the pain in the world and so we have turned off our feelings, shut them down, in order to keep on keeping on."

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... OFk92i9iQ0
answer honestly, how much of your money goes to charity? how much could you cut to help others.
think about this- give up all luxuries, downgrade your home, give up your car and walk, go vegetarian, give up all materialism.

you'd save thousands of dollars a year and you could give all of that to people living in severe poverty all over the world. but you wont.

the average bleeding heart lib will not give up their soy milk lattes, avocado toast, blue hair dye, expensive clothes, accessories, homes, cars, cable, Iphones, Mac computers, $100k college educations etc for complete strangers. they will NOT invite desperate strangers into their homes.

hell they wont even give a dollar to the homeless masses in their own cities. so excuse me if this seems like emotional manipulation to me.
You’re stereotyping is no better than the stereotypes you hate of Trump’s base being the least informed, most gullible people in the country.

Compassion for others and being able to put yourself in their shoes does not belong to liberals. It’s a human trait and it’s rare. Too rare.
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Unread post Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:42 pm

water<wine wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:13 pm
msb64 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:09 pm
"We have developed a heart condition in America and in the American church. Our hearts have become hardened to the hurt in our world.

I’m not saying this to shame but to state what has happened as a result of the constant bombardment of bad news coming at us in images and interviews and analysis 24/7. It hurts too much to feel all the pain in the world and so we have turned off our feelings, shut them down, in order to keep on keeping on."

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... OFk92i9iQ0
answer honestly, how much of your money goes to charity? how much could you cut to help others.

hell they wont even give a dollar to the homeless masses in their own cities. so excuse me if this seems like emotional manipulation to me.
Personally I’m not materialistic, never have been and neither are my children. We spend a lot on summer programs and always pay for two kids who’s family can’t afford it. I support two children who aren’t mine in virtually everything they need and want. I don’t give to religion because too many materialistic people in charge of these churches. We don’t hoard money, we give it as we get it.

When I used to bring my oldest daughter to classes at night there were three regular homeless people on that street. I used to buy us all food and hang out with them while waiting for class to be over. My daughter is at a city high school arts school now and always gives to the homeless. She learned by example.

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Unread post Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:02 pm

Oh, I’d be very happy to sponsor someone from the U.S for citizenship. But not people who are hostile towards the Mexican peop,e as Trump followers tend to be.
We actually sponsored a family from Venezuela a few years ago.
29again wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:24 pm
water<wine wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:25 pm
Momto2boys973 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:01 pm
True. The heartlessness of some people is appalling, as is the way they try to justify it.
The vilification of innocent people trying to make a better life for themselves and their children disgusts me. Only someone with little empathy and compassion can sink that low.
so you'd be ok if 25 million uninvited american southerners were living in Mexico collecting welfare and they just kept on coming. hundreds of thousands per month just kept coming. then your government decides to decriminalize their border crossings, give free healthcare, all welfare to them, and creates a grant for them funded with billions of dollars in tax payer money to pay for their legal defenses. so of course EVEN MORE WILL COME. wouldnt mind at all huh?
The climate down in Mexico sure would be better for me, healthwise. Makes me wonder now wth I stay in the state I grew up in, in the country I'm a citizen of, with the cold winters.... when Mexico would be so much better for me. Maybe momto2 could sponsor me?
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Unread post Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:03 pm

How did you jump from disagreeing with the treatment given to asylum seekers to supporters of open borders? I don’t support open borders, but I also don’t support spreading lies in order to vilify a group of in ice the people and deny them their basic human rights.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:17 pm
once again my question for the bleeding hearts who support open borders, if it is a moral issue. that denying anyone who wants to come here is evil, then would you support 3 billion people coming here? that's how many are in poverty.
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Unread post Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:13 pm

There are actually many American retirees living in Mexico collecting welfare. I don’t mind.
And maybe you should educate yourself on the issues around unauthorized immigration. Undocumented immigrants actually pay taxes. Billions of dollars in taxes. And it’s a myth that they get welfare. The reality is that white they do pay taxes, they’re not entitled to any benefits and the vast majority won’t even try as it’s highly risky for them. Undocumented Immigrants also contribute to your welfare in another significant way: by keeping the costs of basic products and services low. So you benefit from their taxes, and from their cheap labor and they hardly take anything away from you.
Fact is, America is a country that thrived and flourished thanks to immigration- both documented and undocumented. And because of that, it now has a symbiotic relationship with immigrants. And you can’t just cut out that relationship without causing serious damage to both parties. The American economy would suffer a serious blow.

And really? 25 million? With “hundreds of thousands” entering each month? How very dramatic 😂 Are you even aware that for many years there has been more Mexicans leaving the U.S than going in? [url]https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/20 ... o-the-u-s/[/url]

Here are some facts you obviously don’t know:

[url]https://www.adl.org/resources/fact-shee ... en-espanol[/url]

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True. The heartlessness of some people is appalling, as is the way they try to justify it.
The vilification of innocent people trying to make a better life for themselves and their children disgusts me. Only someone with little empathy and compassion can sink that low.
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so you'd be ok if 25 million uninvited american southerners were living in Mexico collecting welfare and they just kept on coming. hundreds of thousands per month just kept coming. then your government decides to decriminalize their border crossings, give free healthcare, all welfare to them, and creates a grant for them funded with billions of dollars in tax payer money to pay for their legal defenses. so of course EVEN MORE WILL COME. wouldnt mind at all huh?
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Unread post Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:31 pm

My heart breaks for all the homeless veterans I see all over our streets. I've met quite a few close to my job, which is literally 5 miles from the local VA. They can't get help at all.
They know me pretty well by now and are always so nice to me even when I don't have anything to give them that day.
wait for it...

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Unread post Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:34 pm

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My heart breaks for all the homeless veterans I see all over our streets. I've met quite a few close to my job, which is literally 5 miles from the local VA. They can't get help at all.
They know me pretty well by now and are always so nice to me even when I don't have anything to give them that day.
My heart breaks for them too, and the homeless families living on the streets in many of our major cities.
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Dylexsmommy wrote:
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My heart breaks for all the homeless veterans I see all over our streets. I've met quite a few close to my job, which is literally 5 miles from the local VA. They can't get help at all.
They know me pretty well by now and are always so nice to me even when I don't have anything to give them that day.
Mine does too. My husband is a Vet with PTSD and spends a lot of time advocating for better health services, especially for our homeless Vets. No one should be homeless, especially our veterans. Our community Veteran's Day Parade focused on that as well as conditions for asylum seekers at the border because most people realize that it's not an either/or.
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