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Re: New SAT Exams to Include ‘Adversity Score’ for ‘Social Background’ of Every Student
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 6:58 pm
by cellomom26
morgan wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 5:08 pm
"Adversity Score" AKA even more Affirmative Action.
Exactly.
If equality and fair treatment is really wanted, end Affirmative Action.
If you can't make the grades, you can't. No special treatment.
Re: New SAT Exams to Include ‘Adversity Score’ for ‘Social Background’ of Every Student
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 7:08 pm
by Pjmm
morgan wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 5:53 pm
I'm sure all you moms with minority children are happy that you have sympathetics to help your kids overcome their "shortcomings" or "disadvantages" so they can succeed.
I don't have minority children but in all honesty idc. Ods is in a state college and yds wants to do the same so i don't have a dog in the fight. If you want someone to blame then take it out on those who tried to get their privileged kids into colleges by lying, cheating, and paying their way through. If that didn't happen we might not need this shit. And it is.. They should be judged just on SAT scores. But life doesn't work that way does it?
Re: New SAT Exams to Include ‘Adversity Score’ for ‘Social Background’ of Every Student
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 7:28 pm
by ReadingRainbow
water<wine wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 6:03 pm
ReadingRainbow wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 5:32 pm
Eh... I don’t really care.
Being from an affluent family meant I could study as much as I wanted, utilize every technological advancement that helped me learn, and have as much private tutoring as I wanted...
So I got pretty high scores when it came to testing.
uh huh, sure until YOU'RE the one being rejected with a higher score and more accomplishments and someone else less qualified is taking your place.
Well... I guess I don’t feel threatened because I got into the University I wanted and the grad school I wanted.
When you get good grades, test high and take part in volunteer activities there are plenty of opportunities out there... giving someone else a leg up who had to overcome extreme adversity doesn’t seem that “scary” to me...
Re: New SAT Exams to Include ‘Adversity Score’ for ‘Social Background’ of Every Student
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 7:33 pm
by ReadingRainbow
water<wine wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 6:22 pm
msb64 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 6:07 pm
water<wine wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 6:00 pm
it says there are 15 factors they will use but only list 2 as examples, poverty and crime in rate in their communities. So theoretically you could be a poor homeless person in a rich community or a rich person in a mostly poor community and the rich person will get in above the poor person.
But I wonder what the other 13 factors are? RACE? S*x? SEXUALITY?
All I know is, I dont think its smart to not choose the best candidates to be our doctors and scientists.
This new "adversity score" number is calculated by assessing 15 factors that can better help admissions officers determine an individual student's social and economic background, the Journal reported. These factors are first divided into three categories: neighborhood environment, family environment and high school environment.
Each of the three categories has five sub-indicators that are indexed in calculating each student's adversity score. Neighborhood environment will take into account crime rate, poverty rate, housing values and vacancy rate. Family environment will assess what the median income is of where the student's family is from; whether the student is from a single parent household; the educational level of the parents; and whether English is a second language. High school environment will look at factors such as curriculum rigor, free-lunch rate and AP class opportunities. Together these factors will calculate an individual's adversity score on a scale of one to 100.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sat-advers ... ing-field/
Thanks for clarifying.
yep totally F***ing unfair. So lemme get this straight, in the workforce being bi-lingual is an ADVANTAGE but as a college applicant it is an "adversity" factor? give me a break. this isn't about "adversity", its about superficial "diversity".
Being bi-lingual or tri-lingual has always been an advantage. Better yet, when you’re fluent in two languages and conversationally speak two more, you’re SUPER advantaged, especially when you’re going for a Masters in Anthro.
Re: New SAT Exams to Include ‘Adversity Score’ for ‘Social Background’ of Every Student
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 8:21 pm
by Deleted User 276
ReadingRainbow wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:33 pm
water<wine wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 6:22 pm
Thanks for clarifying.
yep totally F***ing unfair. So lemme get this straight, in the workforce being bi-lingual is an ADVANTAGE but as a college applicant it is an "adversity" factor? give me a break. this isn't about "adversity", its about superficial "diversity".
Being bi-lingual or tri-lingual has always been an advantage. Better yet, when you’re fluent in two languages and conversationally speak two more, you’re SUPER advantaged, especially when you’re going for a Masters in Anthro.
It is an advantage. If you are an ESL student in high school, you are going to get a few more "adversity points" than if english is a first language. I think that's fair. My daughter scored 760 on the English portion of the SAT. I have no problem having a university weigh an ESL student who scored 760 a little higher. Frankly, we don't know what Universities will do with this information. The score isn't added to the SAT score, it's separate.
Re: New SAT Exams to Include ‘Adversity Score’ for ‘Social Background’ of Every Student
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 8:24 pm
by Deleted User 969
msb64 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 6:53 pm
morgan wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 6:48 pm
msb64 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 6:48 pm
Race is not one of the questions used for adversity scoring.
Want to bet?
There were 15 factors listed to determine the adversity score. Race, religion, gender were not listed as factors.
Re: New SAT Exams to Include ‘Adversity Score’ for ‘Social Background’ of Every Student
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 8:31 pm
by Deleted User 276
Olioxenfree wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 6:40 pm
morgan wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 5:53 pm
I'm sure all you moms with minority children are happy that you have sympathetics to help your kids overcome their "shortcomings" or "disadvantages" so they can succeed.
Could you be more racist? There are more poor white people in this country than minority people.
This could potentially help graduates in our county where we have a home - rural Appalachia, low performing schools, large degree of drug use, single family homes where a parent is incarcerated, high unemployment, 96% white. The county still pumps out some really amazing graduates. IMO it is nice to see a matrix for tracking their success despite adversity.
Re: New SAT Exams to Include ‘Adversity Score’ for ‘Social Background’ of Every Student
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 8:34 pm
by Deleted User 1074
ReadingRainbow wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:28 pm
water<wine wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 6:03 pm
ReadingRainbow wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 5:32 pm
Eh... I don’t really care.
Being from an affluent family meant I could study as much as I wanted, utilize every technological advancement that helped me learn, and have as much private tutoring as I wanted...
So I got pretty high scores when it came to testing.
uh huh, sure until YOU'RE the one being rejected with a higher score and more accomplishments and someone else less qualified is taking your place.
Well... I guess I don’t feel threatened because I got into the University I wanted and the grad school I wanted.
When you get good grades, test high and take part in volunteer activities there are plenty of opportunities out there... giving someone else a leg up who had to overcome extreme adversity doesn’t seem that “scary” to me...
uhhh, No, the point here is, those things you listed are no longer whats required to get an opportunity. plenty of kids who work hard and perform well academically will be discriminated against based on their zip code.
Re: New SAT Exams to Include ‘Adversity Score’ for ‘Social Background’ of Every Student
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 8:35 pm
by Lemons
water<wine wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 6:03 pm
ReadingRainbow wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 5:32 pm
Eh... I don’t really care.
Being from an affluent family meant I could study as much as I wanted, utilize every technological advancement that helped me learn, and have as much private tutoring as I wanted...
So I got pretty high scores when it came to testing.
uh huh, sure until YOU'RE the one being rejected with a higher score and more accomplishments and someone else less qualified is taking your place.
Or rejected because some rich person paid $500,000 to bribe the tennis coach to claim their kid is a prodigy. Or rejected because Kushner gave the school $2 million dollars to buy a building. It will never just be about high scores.
Re: New SAT Exams to Include ‘Adversity Score’ for ‘Social Background’ of Every Student
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 8:36 pm
by Deleted User 276
water<wine wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:34 pm
ReadingRainbow wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:28 pm
water<wine wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 6:03 pm
uh huh, sure until YOU'RE the one being rejected with a higher score and more accomplishments and someone else less qualified is taking your place.
Well... I guess I don’t feel threatened because I got into the University I wanted and the grad school I wanted.
When you get good grades, test high and take part in volunteer activities there are plenty of opportunities out there... giving someone else a leg up who had to overcome extreme adversity doesn’t seem that “scary” to me...
uhhh, No, the point here is, those things you listed are no longer whats required to get an opportunity. plenty of kids who work hard and perform well academically will be discriminated against based on their zip code.
How heavily do you think Universities will weigh the adversity score?