Missouri has joined the ranks

[jessilin0113]

I believe if Cuomo had not enacted the horrific bill in NY allowing abortion up until the moment of birth, the rest of the country would not have had the reaction you are seeing now in Alabama and other states. While each state is within their rights, I am appalled at the lack of common sense on both sides and the unwillingness to find a common ground that both sides can live with. Extremism is never a good idea, whether left or right. If you have a problem with Alabama, you should also be outraged at NY and Cuomo!

The bill does not do that.

[Lexy]

I believe if Cuomo had not enacted the horrific bill in NY allowing abortion up until the moment of birth, the rest of the country would not have had the reaction you are seeing now in Alabama and other states. While each state is within their rights, I am appalled at the lack of common sense on both sides and the unwillingness to find a common ground that both sides can live with. Extremism is never a good idea, whether left or right. If you have a problem with Alabama, you should also be outraged at NY and Cuomo!

The bill does not do that.

New York’s new law does not explicitly define “health.”

In what is considered a companion case, Doe v. Bolton, the U.S. Supreme Court held that “medical judgment may be exercised in the light of all factors — physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman’s age — relevant to the wellbeing of the patient. All these factors may relate to health. This allows the attending physician the room he needs to make his best medical judgment.”

After 24 weeks, such decisions must be made with a determination that there is an “absence of fetal viability” or that the procedure is “necessary to protect the patient’s life or health.” That determination must be made by a “health care practitioner licensed, certified, or authorized” under state law, “acting within his or her lawful scope of practice.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/addre ... rtion-law/

[Francee89]

I believe if Cuomo had not enacted the horrific bill in NY allowing abortion up until the moment of birth, the rest of the country would not have had the reaction you are seeing now in Alabama and other states. While each state is within their rights, I am appalled at the lack of common sense on both sides and the unwillingness to find a common ground that both sides can live with. Extremism is never a good idea, whether left or right. If you have a problem with Alabama, you should also be outraged at NY and Cuomo!

Conservative states have been passing (and failing to enforce, due to them getting struck down in court) these anti-abortion laws for years, well before NY passed anything. For example, Alabama had to pay the ACLU $1.7million over a 2013 law that they passed, were sued over and had struck down.

[Billie.jeens]

I believe if Cuomo had not enacted the horrific bill in NY allowing abortion up until the moment of birth, the rest of the country would not have had the reaction you are seeing now in Alabama and other states. While each state is within their rights, I am appalled at the lack of common sense on both sides and the unwillingness to find a common ground that both sides can live with. Extremism is never a good idea, whether left or right. If you have a problem with Alabama, you should also be outraged at NY and Cuomo!

Reasonable has been tried and rejected by the Left.

So this is the natural progression.

[Billie.jeens]

I believe if Cuomo had not enacted the horrific bill in NY allowing abortion up until the moment of birth, the rest of the country would not have had the reaction you are seeing now in Alabama and other states. While each state is within their rights, I am appalled at the lack of common sense on both sides and the unwillingness to find a common ground that both sides can live with. Extremism is never a good idea, whether left or right. If you have a problem with Alabama, you should also be outraged at NY and Cuomo!

The bill does not do that.

It does

They celebrated that fact by lighting up parts of the city.

[Valentina327]

I believe if Cuomo had not enacted the horrific bill in NY allowing abortion up until the moment of birth, the rest of the country would not have had the reaction you are seeing now in Alabama and other states. While each state is within their rights, I am appalled at the lack of common sense on both sides and the unwillingness to find a common ground that both sides can live with. Extremism is never a good idea, whether left or right. If you have a problem with Alabama, you should also be outraged at NY and Cuomo!

That's what I'm thinking brought all of this forward. It's a ricochet reaction because that bill is soooo over the top.

[morgan]

I believe if Cuomo had not enacted the horrific bill in NY allowing abortion up until the moment of birth, the rest of the country would not have had the reaction you are seeing now in Alabama and other states. While each state is within their rights, I am appalled at the lack of common sense on both sides and the unwillingness to find a common ground that both sides can live with. Extremism is never a good idea, whether left or right. If you have a problem with Alabama, you should also be outraged at NY and Cuomo!

The bill does not do that.

Can you explain what you think the bill says?

[Francee89]

I believe if Cuomo had not enacted the horrific bill in NY allowing abortion up until the moment of birth, the rest of the country would not have had the reaction you are seeing now in Alabama and other states. While each state is within their rights, I am appalled at the lack of common sense on both sides and the unwillingness to find a common ground that both sides can live with. Extremism is never a good idea, whether left or right. If you have a problem with Alabama, you should also be outraged at NY and Cuomo!

That's what I'm thinking brought all of this forward. It's a ricochet reaction because that bill is soooo over the top.

Then how does the fact that these types of laws have been passed (and struck down) by conservative states for years?

[jessilin0113]

I believe if Cuomo had not enacted the horrific bill in NY allowing abortion up until the moment of birth, the rest of the country would not have had the reaction you are seeing now in Alabama and other states. While each state is within their rights, I am appalled at the lack of common sense on both sides and the unwillingness to find a common ground that both sides can live with. Extremism is never a good idea, whether left or right. If you have a problem with Alabama, you should also be outraged at NY and Cuomo!

The bill does not do that.

Can you explain what you think the bill says?

I guess I felt Lexy was being blase about the law. Nobody wants or requests an abortion up until the moment of birth. That is overly inflammatory language that hides the crux of this bill, which is that late-term abortions require fetal inviability or protection of the mother's health. I grant you, the "mother's health" exemption is somewhat vague, but late-term abortions are so rare, by the time one is necessary, "health" is pretty well-defined. She, IMO, made it sound like people just can request abortions willy-nilly, at any time, when all this truly does is codify Roe v. Wade in New York State law.

[jessilin0113]

I believe if Cuomo had not enacted the horrific bill in NY allowing abortion up until the moment of birth, the rest of the country would not have had the reaction you are seeing now in Alabama and other states. While each state is within their rights, I am appalled at the lack of common sense on both sides and the unwillingness to find a common ground that both sides can live with. Extremism is never a good idea, whether left or right. If you have a problem with Alabama, you should also be outraged at NY and Cuomo!

The bill does not do that.

New York’s new law does not explicitly define “health.”

In what is considered a companion case, Doe v. Bolton, the U.S. Supreme Court held that “medical judgment may be exercised in the light of all factors — physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman’s age — relevant to the wellbeing of the patient. All these factors may relate to health. This allows the attending physician the room he needs to make his best medical judgment.”

After 24 weeks, such decisions must be made with a determination that there is an “absence of fetal viability” or that the procedure is “necessary to protect the patient’s life or health.” That determination must be made by a “health care practitioner licensed, certified, or authorized” under state law, “acting within his or her lawful scope of practice.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/addre ... rtion-law/

I know what it says. I was arguing against what I felt your interpretation was, which I apologize for possibly reading into something that wasn't there.