New York Times: Jesus was a dark-skinned Arab

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Palestine is mentioned at least four times...

"The word Palestine derives from Philistia, the name given by Greek writers to the land of the Philistines, who in the 12th century bce occupied a small pocket of land on the southern coast, between modern Tel Aviv–Yafo and Gaza."

https://www.britannica.com/place/Palestine

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Palestine in the ancient world was part of the region known as Canaan where the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah were located. The term `Palestine’ was originally a designation of an area of land in southern Canaan which the people known as the Philistines occupied a very small part of, the Canaanites, Canaanite-Phoenicians, and the Israelites, among others, having established themselves in the area much earlier. The Philistines are thought to have come to the area toward the end of the Bronze Age c. 1276 BCE and established themselves on the southern coastal plain of the Mediterranean Sea in an area afterwards known as Philistia.

The whole of the region was referred to as `Canaan’ in Mesopotamian texts and trade records found at Ebla and Mari as early as the 18th century BCE while the term `Palestine’ does not appear in any written records until the 5th century BCE in the Histories of Herodotus. After Herodotus, the term `Palestine’ came to be used for the entire region which was formerly known as Canaan.

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Momto2boys973 wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:10 pm Exactly where is Palestine mentioned? You’re probably thinking of Philistia, the Greek name for the area named after it’s previous occupants, the Philistines- you know, those guys killed by Samson. The name was used in various forms until the fall of the Roman Empire. The name “Palestine” was revived by the British after the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the beginning of the British mandate of the region.
But fact is, Palestinians aren’t descendants of these Philistines, that term to refer to the inhabitants of that region wasn’t used until after WWI. So there’s no way Jesus could be a “Palestinian”. Unless the author is suggesting Jesus was a Philistine...
And again, he could’ve used the term “Middle Eastern”. Why did he go to “Palestinian” if not to throw political connotations in his arguments? Especially considering most people who read probably won’t know what “Palestine” is beyond what they read here and there and won’t bother fact checking that.
pinkbutterfly66 wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:57 pm
Momto2boys973 wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:47 pm If you read the article, the author says that Jesus was more likely “Palestinian”. That’s grossly inaccurate, since the term “Palestinian” is actually of British origin. Now “Arab”, “Middle Eastern”, those are accurate terms, but deliberately using the fallacious term “Palestinian”, is obvious he was trying to bring political connotations into the mix.


Palestine is mentioned in the Old Testament which predates Britain colonialism as does the actual country. So I don't think the author was trying to be inflammatory.

http://www.hebrew-streams.org/works/heb ... stine.html
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It is absolutely not of British Origin... It's Greek.
Momto2boys973 wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:47 pm If you read the article, the author says that Jesus was more likely “Palestinian”. That’s grossly inaccurate, since the term “Palestinian” is actually of British origin. Now “Arab”, “Middle Eastern”, those are accurate terms, but deliberately using the fallacious term “Palestinian”, is obvious he was trying to bring political connotations into the mix. Let’s not be naive here, if his goal was to claim that Jesus wasn’t a Caucasian male, as usually depicted, then he could just go with Middle Eastern or even Arab in terms of race/ethnicity. But he chose the modern, politically charged term of “Palestinian”.

pinkbutterfly66 wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:42 pm The dude was from the Middle East. Of course he's going to look Arabic. This is probably a close approximation of what he really looked like -- if he actually existed in the first place. Judaism is a religion, not a nationality.

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And that image is back from 2002.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/scienc ... 4/1282186/

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12 ... index.html
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Pjmm wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:58 pm I didn't see the piece. But my understanding always was that the historical Jesus wasn't Caucasian but most likely resembled a modern day middle eastern man in looks and race. His religion was Judaism. And certainly Arabia existed in some form in His time. Islam did not. Being called an Arab doesn't refer to his religion. Again i didn't read the NY article but they're probably referring to his race and looks. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Islamic_Arabia
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source= ... 5284035508

This is the actual article that is being referred to.
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pinkbutterfly66 wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:42 pm The dude was from the Middle East. Of course he's going to look Arabic. This is probably a close approximation of what he really looked like -- if he actually existed in the first place. Judaism is a religion, not a nationality.

Image

And that image is back from 2002.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/scienc ... 4/1282186/

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12 ... index.html
There are historical Roman records that the man did exist. That is fact. What you believe beyond that is on you.
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Mommy_jules wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:34 am
Pjmm wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:58 pm I didn't see the piece. But my understanding always was that the historical Jesus wasn't Caucasian but most likely resembled a modern day middle eastern man in looks and race. His religion was Judaism. And certainly Arabia existed in some form in His time. Islam did not. Being called an Arab doesn't refer to his religion. Again i didn't read the NY article but they're probably referring to his race and looks. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Islamic_Arabia
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source= ... 5284035508

This is the actual article that is being referred to.
He mentioned Jesus was most likely a Palestinian man. Now perhaps Palestine existed in some other name or by the current name damned if I know. But that's not his point. His point is the way Caucasians see Jesus. That's what this whole article is about. We tend to view him looking as us when chances are he did not, living where he did. And to drive his point home he mentions Palestine probably to make us think "hey what do I feel about the Son of Man looking like a Palestine, a Muslim, a dark skinned man? If I saw him on the street would I speak to him? Would I listen to him?" So I really don't understand the focus on Palestine as a political statement. Read the rest..he is interested in how people of color view Jesus. He says that in his conclusion.
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Pjmm wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:27 am
Mommy_jules wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:34 am
Pjmm wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:58 pm I didn't see the piece. But my understanding always was that the historical Jesus wasn't Caucasian but most likely resembled a modern day middle eastern man in looks and race. His religion was Judaism. And certainly Arabia existed in some form in His time. Islam did not. Being called an Arab doesn't refer to his religion. Again i didn't read the NY article but they're probably referring to his race and looks. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Islamic_Arabia
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source= ... 5284035508

This is the actual article that is being referred to.
He mentioned Jesus was most likely a Palestinian man. Now perhaps Palestine existed in some other name or by the current name damned if I know. But that's not his point. His point is the way Caucasians see Jesus. That's what this whole article is about. We tend to view him looking as us when chances are he did not, living where he did. And to drive his point home he mentions Palestine probably to make us think "hey what do I feel about the Son of Man looking like a Palestine, a Muslim, a dark skinned man? If I saw him on the street would I speak to him? Would I listen to him?" So I really don't understand the focus on Palestine as a political statement. Read the rest..he is interested in how people of color view Jesus. He says that in his conclusion.
I agree with you. I'm not sure why people pick one word choice or sentence and pick it apart. Maybe Palestinian was a poor word choice, but if that's what people are focusing on, they missed his entire point.
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jas wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:42 am
pinkbutterfly66 wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:42 pm The dude was from the Middle East. Of course he's going to look Arabic. This is probably a close approximation of what he really looked like -- if he actually existed in the first place. Judaism is a religion, not a nationality.

Image

And that image is back from 2002.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/scienc ... 4/1282186/

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12 ... index.html
There are historical Roman records that the man did exist. That is fact. What you believe beyond that is on you.
And those are all written 90 years or later after Jesus was supposed to have died. There are no Roman records with first hand or witness accounts written when he was alive or even right after his death.
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Jesus was not a Palestinian, NY Times issues correction after false claim about Jesus
A full week after publishing an op-ed by Eric V. Copage that claimed Jesus was Palestinian, the New York Times quietly made a correction to the online article.
It’s hard to imagine how the vaunted NYT editorial board would still again overlook such an egregiously offensive claim, outraging Jews and Christians. Also this past week, the Times ran and distributed globally an abhorrent anti-semitic cartoon in its international edition. After the damage was done, an apology was issued.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/04/28 ... term=EMAIL
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