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Re: 5 people are killed, at least 18 injured in a shooting at a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:31 pm
by Deleted User 1990
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:19 pm
Carpy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:09 pm
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:43 pm
Is that the case in 2nd amendment sanctuary municipalities?
It's federal.
Editing to say a dealer doesn't get to opt out of federal laws.
That's good. I am confused about 2nd Amendment Sanctuaries? If states are deemed as sanctuaries, they claim that they don't "have to" abide by federal restrictions. Is it not the same for counties or is that only at the state level?
Sanctuaries are breaking the law… they’re just standing up for that being the right thing to do.
Re: 5 people are killed, at least 18 injured in a shooting at a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:45 pm
by Carpy
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:19 pm
Carpy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:09 pm
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:43 pm
Is that the case in 2nd amendment sanctuary municipalities?
It's federal.
Editing to say a dealer doesn't get to opt out of federal laws.
That's good. I am confused about 2nd Amendment Sanctuaries? If states are deemed as sanctuaries, they claim that they don't "have to" abide by federal restrictions. Is it not the same for counties or is that only at the state level?
The feds gain their power over gun sales through the interstate commerce clause. A dealer is engaging in interstate commerce. Once a gun leaves the dealer in a manner consistent with federal laws, it is no longer legally in interstate commerce. At that point state laws take over. That is the only means there is of legally being a "sanctuary". That is also why laws differ from state to state. Just not for FFL dealers.
Re: 5 people are killed, at least 18 injured in a shooting at a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:46 pm
by Deleted User 1511
BobCobbMagob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:31 pm
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:19 pm
Carpy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:09 pm
It's federal.
Editing to say a dealer doesn't get to opt out of federal laws.
That's good. I am confused about 2nd Amendment Sanctuaries? If states are deemed as sanctuaries, they claim that they don't "have to" abide by federal restrictions. Is it not the same for counties or is that only at the state level?
Sanctuaries are breaking the law… they’re just standing up for that being the right thing to do.
So, if over half of the States and counties unilaterally decide to break the law, can that law be cited as something designed to protect the citizenry against gun violence?
Re: 5 people are killed, at least 18 injured in a shooting at a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:46 pm
by Carpy
BobCobbMagob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:31 pm
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:19 pm
Carpy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:09 pm
It's federal.
Editing to say a dealer doesn't get to opt out of federal laws.
That's good. I am confused about 2nd Amendment Sanctuaries? If states are deemed as sanctuaries, they claim that they don't "have to" abide by federal restrictions. Is it not the same for counties or is that only at the state level?
Sanctuaries are breaking the law… they’re just standing up for that being the right thing to do.
Actually, they aren't breaking the law.
Re: 5 people are killed, at least 18 injured in a shooting at a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:47 pm
by Carpy
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:46 pm
BobCobbMagob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:31 pm
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:19 pm
That's good. I am confused about 2nd Amendment Sanctuaries? If states are deemed as sanctuaries, they claim that they don't "have to" abide by federal restrictions. Is it not the same for counties or is that only at the state level?
Sanctuaries are breaking the law… they’re just standing up for that being the right thing to do.
So, if over half of the States and counties unilaterally decide to break the law, can that law be cited as something designed to protect the citizenry against gun violence?
They aren't actually breaking the law.
Re: 5 people are killed, at least 18 injured in a shooting at a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:19 pm
by Deleted User 1990
Carpy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:46 pm
BobCobbMagob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:31 pm
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:19 pm
That's good. I am confused about 2nd Amendment Sanctuaries? If states are deemed as sanctuaries, they claim that they don't "have to" abide by federal restrictions. Is it not the same for counties or is that only at the state level?
Sanctuaries are breaking the law… they’re just standing up for that being the right thing to do.
Actually, they aren't breaking the law.
They are breaking the law…
Like sanctuary cities for illegal immigrants, the cities are supposed to report certain things to ICE but they said naw, we’re not gonna.
With second amendment cities, they say if there is any law made that makes cops go door to door taking guns away, they’re not gonna either…
Re: 5 people are killed, at least 18 injured in a shooting at a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:26 pm
by Deleted User 1990
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:46 pm
BobCobbMagob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:31 pm
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:19 pm
That's good. I am confused about 2nd Amendment Sanctuaries? If states are deemed as sanctuaries, they claim that they don't "have to" abide by federal restrictions. Is it not the same for counties or is that only at the state level?
Sanctuaries are breaking the law… they’re just standing up for that being the right thing to do.
So, if over half of the States and counties unilaterally decide to break the law, can that law be cited as something designed to protect the citizenry against gun violence?
Not unless those states are red ones. The blue ones would be arguing that the laws don’t protect anyone.
But the blue ones can write new laws, vote them in , then argue in the Supreme Court why federal laws shouldn’t apply.
Re: 5 people are killed, at least 18 injured in a shooting at a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:27 pm
by Deleted User 1511
Carpy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:47 pm
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:46 pm
BobCobbMagob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:31 pm
Sanctuaries are breaking the law… they’re just standing up for that being the right thing to do.
So, if over half of the States and counties unilaterally decide to break the law, can that law be cited as something designed to protect the citizenry against gun violence?
They aren't actually breaking the law.
Got it. So it's a matter of enforcing the law rather than breaking the law?
Re: 5 people are killed, at least 18 injured in a shooting at a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:01 pm
by Carpy
BobCobbMagob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:19 pm
Carpy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:46 pm
BobCobbMagob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:31 pm
Sanctuaries are breaking the law… they’re just standing up for that being the right thing to do.
Actually, they aren't breaking the law.
They are breaking the law…
Like sanctuary cities for illegal immigrants, the cities are supposed to report certain things to ICE but they said naw, we’re not gonna.
With second amendment cities, they say if there is any law made that makes cops go door to door taking guns away, they’re not gonna either…
I don’t think you quite get how this works. Gun stores would have a difficult time even getting product. Wholesale distributors would not risk their own livelihood to sell to a business that wasn't following federal law.
Re: 5 people are killed, at least 18 injured in a shooting at a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:07 pm
by Carpy
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:27 pm
Carpy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:47 pm
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:46 pm
So, if over half of the States and counties unilaterally decide to break the law, can that law be cited as something designed to protect the citizenry against gun violence?
They aren't actually breaking the law.
Got it. So it's a matter of enforcing the law rather than breaking the law?
They can only be sanctuary in the sense of what the state laws allow. Violating federal law is a whole other ballgame. The feds don't mess around. When you get an inspection you better be damn sure everything is completely correct. We do a double check on every gun sale before the paperwork is put into 20 year storage. I go through them all weekly and an employee double checks my check.