Teen Allegedly Threw Boy, 8, Off 31-Foot-High Waterslide Platform/Had been violent before

[Traci_Momof2]

I hope he gets the max sentencing. I'm sick to death of excuses being made for mentally disabled people hurting other people. I don't give a flying f**k about your mental condition. If you assault someone you pay the price. When will these parents learn that a mental handicap is not an excuse?!?

[Traci_Momof2]

First, I didn’t say lock HIm up for being special needs... he needs to be locked up because he THREW AN 8 YEAR OLD OFF A THREE STORY STRUCTURE BECAUSE HE FELT IMPATIENT. I would think a NT person who did the same thing should be locked up as well. His SN do not excuse his behavior, and if they do then yes, he should be locked up for the safety of the public.

Not every special needs person is violent or dangerous. And there is no way this boy went from zero to “throwing random children off 30 foot structures” out of nowhere. I’d bet my last dollar hat he has shown violent and impulsive behavior before. I don’t think hiring an aide wasn’t enough - though I wouldn’t argue with growing some charges at her too, even though I doubt the parents warned her about exactly how dangerous their kid is.

the Parents hired an aide to take him out into public and monitor and control him. The aide did not do their job.

This is a slippery slope here people. Are you suggesting we go back to the days of locking all people less than 100% perfect and typical away in institutions or our attics like they did in the 20s?

If he was dangerous the water park may not have been the best place for him-but we can't also go back to the way things were where we lock people away either. Or do you want to do what Hitler did and have them sent to the gas chambers for being special needs?

The aide absolutely in my opinion deserves charges. They paid and hired her to do a certain job and she did not do it. We don't know what the parents told the aide or how long the aide has worked with the boy etc. Its possible the aide was told to always stay next to him and avoid long lines etc and she ignored that. So then honestly the crime is more on the aide than the Special needs person.

There are a lot of factors to this story. If my son was at school and on a field trip and he was supposed to have an aide with him and they didn't and he did something that hurt someone else-I would wanting the aide in jail and the school system in trouble-not necessarily my son. Because they fucked up.

Now my son is not going to toss someone over a railing but he might accidentally hurt someone during a meltdown if he got upset and threw something etc. You just never know. Its why I monitor him closely. Its also why I don't take him into situations that are too much for him. Its why I tell his teachers what I expect of them when he is under their care.

But again-if they f**k up and don't do what they are supposed to do-that is on them-not me or my son. I tell them very plainly what he needs and its documented in his IEP.

Nope. Sorry, can't agree with you. The person who commits the actual crime, who directly causes the actual harm, will always be #1 at fault and will always carry the most blame. Could the aide be guilty of some negligence? Possibly, depending on the details. But it was not the aide who picked up the boy and threw him. It was the 18yo who did so and therefore the 18yo is the one to blame. His mental condition makes no difference. He is responsible, he pays the price.

You wanting to throw blame onto an aide or some other person is exactly what I think parents are doing wrong. You are not holding your child accountable for their own actions. Not causing harm to others is the very FIRST lesson that ALL kids should be learning from their parents. Mental disability is no excuse for not learning that lesson.

[RedBottoms]

First, I didn’t say lock HIm up for being special needs... he needs to be locked up because he THREW AN 8 YEAR OLD OFF A THREE STORY STRUCTURE BECAUSE HE FELT IMPATIENT. I would think a NT person who did the same thing should be locked up as well. His SN do not excuse his behavior, and if they do then yes, he should be locked up for the safety of the public.

Not every special needs person is violent or dangerous. And there is no way this boy went from zero to “throwing random children off 30 foot structures” out of nowhere. I’d bet my last dollar hat he has shown violent and impulsive behavior before. I don’t think hiring an aide wasn’t enough - though I wouldn’t argue with growing some charges at her too, even though I doubt the parents warned her about exactly how dangerous their kid is.

The aide absolutely in my opinion deserves charges. They paid and hired her to do a certain job and she did not do it. We don't know what the parents told the aide or how long the aide has worked with the boy etc. Its possible the aide was told to always stay next to him and avoid long lines etc and she ignored that. So then honestly the crime is more on the aide than the Special needs person.

There are a lot of factors to this story. If my son was at school and on a field trip and he was supposed to have an aide with him and they didn't and he did something that hurt someone else-I would wanting the aide in jail and the school system in trouble-not necessarily my son. Because they fucked up.

Now my son is not going to toss someone over a railing but he might accidentally hurt someone during a meltdown if he got upset and threw something etc. You just never know. Its why I monitor him closely. Its also why I don't take him into situations that are too much for him. Its why I tell his teachers what I expect of them when he is under their care.

But again-if they f**k up and don't do what they are supposed to do-that is on them-not me or my son. I tell them very plainly what he needs and its documented in his IEP.

Nope. Sorry, can't agree with you. The person who commits the actual crime, who directly causes the actual harm, will always be #1 at fault and will always carry the most blame. Could the aide be guilty of some negligence? Possibly, depending on the details. But it was not the aide who picked up the boy and threw him. It was the 18yo who did so and therefore the 18yo is the one to blame. His mental condition makes no difference. He is responsible, he pays the price.

You wanting to throw blame onto an aide or some other person is exactly what I think parents are doing wrong. You are not holding your child accountable for their own actions. Not causing harm to others is the very FIRST lesson that ALL kids should be learning from their parents. Mental disability is no excuse for not learning that lesson.

Actually it can be an excuse if they are too mentally deficient to where they are incapable of learning that.

[Traci_Momof2]

The aide absolutely in my opinion deserves charges. They paid and hired her to do a certain job and she did not do it. We don't know what the parents told the aide or how long the aide has worked with the boy etc. Its possible the aide was told to always stay next to him and avoid long lines etc and she ignored that. So then honestly the crime is more on the aide than the Special needs person.

There are a lot of factors to this story. If my son was at school and on a field trip and he was supposed to have an aide with him and they didn't and he did something that hurt someone else-I would wanting the aide in jail and the school system in trouble-not necessarily my son. Because they fucked up.

Now my son is not going to toss someone over a railing but he might accidentally hurt someone during a meltdown if he got upset and threw something etc. You just never know. Its why I monitor him closely. Its also why I don't take him into situations that are too much for him. Its why I tell his teachers what I expect of them when he is under their care.

But again-if they f**k up and don't do what they are supposed to do-that is on them-not me or my son. I tell them very plainly what he needs and its documented in his IEP.

Nope. Sorry, can't agree with you. The person who commits the actual crime, who directly causes the actual harm, will always be #1 at fault and will always carry the most blame. Could the aide be guilty of some negligence? Possibly, depending on the details. But it was not the aide who picked up the boy and threw him. It was the 18yo who did so and therefore the 18yo is the one to blame. His mental condition makes no difference. He is responsible, he pays the price.

You wanting to throw blame onto an aide or some other person is exactly what I think parents are doing wrong. You are not holding your child accountable for their own actions. Not causing harm to others is the very FIRST lesson that ALL kids should be learning from their parents. Mental disability is no excuse for not learning that lesson.

Actually it can be an excuse if they are too mentally deficient to where they are incapable of learning that.

Well maybe it shouldn't be. Or maybe for those individuals who are THAT bad, they should be institutionalized for public safety. But this 18yo is not THAT bad. He admitted himself that he knew what he was doing. Even 2 and 3 yo's can understand "don't hit" which is the first lesson in not harming others. His parents had 16 years to reinforce those lessons in him. But chances are really good that they instead spent those 16 years making excuses for his behavior.

I get it. I have a son who has anxiety and for years it was expressed as anger. It got him into a lot of trouble at multiple schools. But I didn't make excuses for him. When he got thrown out of school, I may have been mad at the situation but I didn't fight it. I continued to try to find help for him. Therapy, homeschool, all while teaching him that his actions were completely unacceptable. Now? When I ask his teachers about his behavior they say "i wish all my students behaved like Adam does". If parents don't give up and don't make excuses, progress can be made. But making excuses only hurts their child in the long run.

[RedBottoms]

Nope. Sorry, can't agree with you. The person who commits the actual crime, who directly causes the actual harm, will always be #1 at fault and will always carry the most blame. Could the aide be guilty of some negligence? Possibly, depending on the details. But it was not the aide who picked up the boy and threw him. It was the 18yo who did so and therefore the 18yo is the one to blame. His mental condition makes no difference. He is responsible, he pays the price.

You wanting to throw blame onto an aide or some other person is exactly what I think parents are doing wrong. You are not holding your child accountable for their own actions. Not causing harm to others is the very FIRST lesson that ALL kids should be learning from their parents. Mental disability is no excuse for not learning that lesson.

Actually it can be an excuse if they are too mentally deficient to where they are incapable of learning that.

Well maybe it shouldn't be. Or maybe for those individuals who are THAT bad, they should be institutionalized for public safety. But this 18yo is not THAT bad. He admitted himself that he knew what he was doing. Even 2 and 3 yo's can understand "don't hit" which is the first lesson in not harming others. His parents had 16 years to reinforce those lessons in him. But chances are really good that they instead spent those 16 years making excuses for his behavior.

I get it. I have a son who has anxiety and for years it was expressed as anger. It got him into a lot of trouble at multiple schools. But I didn't make excuses for him. When he got thrown out of school, I may have been mad at the situation but I didn't fight it. I continued to try to find help for him. Therapy, homeschool, all while teaching him that his actions were completely unacceptable. Now? When I ask his teachers about his behavior they say "i wish all my students behaved like Adam does". If parents don't give up and don't make excuses, progress can be made. But making excuses only hurts their child in the long run.

I agree its our job as parents to get them as much help as we can and teach them how to behave. But I also am humble to realize sometimes even if we do our best-its not enough. I also have worked with special needs people that honestly don't know much more than a 2 year old even if they have a 40 year old body. And we really can't fault them for acting like a 2 year old would act because that is as much as their brain is going to ever progress and jail is not where they belong. They belong in group homes or facilities etc.

[Squirrelcat]

The f**k? He BIT someone and they were ok with it?!?

[Pjmm]

Who posted his bond? If that was my kid, delays or not, he could cool his heels and MAYBE I'd get around to posting his bail eventually. But if he had this sort of behavior before as I'm sure he did, a water park is no place for him. I don't take my kids at high peak times and I'm fairly stable. I do hate waiting in line in the hot sun though.

It may be that leaving him in jail may make things worse.

Had that been my kid I’d pribably bail him out but then check him into a hospital

Idk what I would do. Typically I avoid water parks at peak times anyway. I'm sure this wasn't the first time this kid has gotten violent so chances are we would have gone early and left early. It's what I did at the last water park. To me it's not fun standing in a long line.

[lunarprancer]

Who posted his bond? If that was my kid, delays or not, he could cool his heels and MAYBE I'd get around to posting his bail eventually. But if he had this sort of behavior before as I'm sure he did, a water park is no place for him. I don't take my kids at high peak times and I'm fairly stable. I do hate waiting in line in the hot sun though.

It may be that leaving him in jail may make things worse.

Had that been my kid I’d pribably bail him out but then check him into a hospital

Idk what I would do. Typically I avoid water parks at peak times anyway. I'm sure this wasn't the first time this kid has gotten violent so chances are we would have gone early and left early. It's what I did at the last water park. To me it's not fun standing in a long line.

He bit an employee at that same water park a few weeks before this.

[Pjmm]

It may be that leaving him in jail may make things worse.

Had that been my kid I’d pribably bail him out but then check him into a hospital

Idk what I would do. Typically I avoid water parks at peak times anyway. I'm sure this wasn't the first time this kid has gotten violent so chances are we would have gone early and left early. It's what I did at the last water park. To me it's not fun standing in a long line.

He bit an employee at that same water park a few weeks before this.

It's probably a sign that water parks aren't the place for him. I'm sure for a kid with sensory issues the water, waves, fast slides, people screeching, mild dehydration and the hot sun are all overwhelming af. Ds15 volunteered at a summer camp. If it rains and he has to deal with screaming little kids in one room he gets in a pissy mood by the end of the day. And he's a stable person. Like someone else said this kid probably has all the emotional maturity of a two year old. He needs to be treated like one.

[Deleted User 172]

My brother (Aspergers) was just like him. And now, 30 years later he's an even more violent asshole.

My asperger's son wouldn't and hasn't hurt anybody. He's extremely gentle with his little brother, even when they're fighting dirty. I don't really think it has anything to do with the syndrome, but to do with the kid/adult.