Extremists spreading lies about west coast fires

[Mommamia]

aw, they're scared:

Hey, Mr. Smile. I don't have twitter. Can you find Biden's latest tweet where he's blaming Trump for climate change which is responsible for the fires. Then he tells everyone they are murderers if they vote for Trump.

[29again]

While I do hold right-wing views, I would not classify myself as an extremist. I do read various news articles on a variety of topics and from a multitude of sources, both left and right. Often, the truth is actually somewhere in between. As hard as it is to believe, there are some people who don't believe that antifa is anything to worry about whatsoever, that the violence attributed to them is a myth.

What I am looking at is the fact that Antifa has started fires in downtown Portland. That is a fact. They barricaded police precincts and tried to set the buildings on fire, with people inside. I believe this tactic has been used in other localities as well. So, excuse the f**k out of me and every other thinking person who does not see it as a stretch to think that it could be possible that some Antifa got bored/angry/too high on whatever drug they were using that day/enraged/whatever emotion and decided to start a fire along the highway on their way to the city to riot.... Oh, and please note where I said that I do not know the political ideologies of the people who started the fires, but yeah.. PEOPLE started the fires in OR and WA as well as some in CA. (Maybe proper forest management would alleviate the fire risk each year??? Just a thought...) I really don't think it matters too much if it is antifa or someone else who started the fires. The fact remains that there were fires intentionally lit for no other reason than to cause chaos. (which is a favorite of antifa, if I may say so...) Is the rationale that while antifa might be unruly, they don't do arson? What, what is the rationale behind vehemently denying this group is involved? I don't get it.

I think a lot of them actually support ANTIFA, just like they support the Marxist BLM.

You hit the nail on the head about proper forest management. For over 50 years the tree hugging left wing zealots who rule the west coast haven't allowed controlled burns to get rid of all of that dense underbrush. They also run to fight every little fire, instead of letting nature run it's course. Then you have over building everywhere.

The huge fire in CA last year was caused by CA electric company not maintaining the wires, letting trees over grow causing electrical lines to snap, and poof, you have a fire. Then over the years, CA closed all of its nuclear power plants,.....the only safe, non polluting power source. Well now they can live with what they have created. Gotta love those rolling blackouts, especially when it's been 110 some days recently.

Turn OFF the appliances, but plug in the fan??? Makes perfect sense, if you're a california liberal tree-hugger!

[29again]

I'm not sure, but that's not my point. My point is it's cruel to the victims of these wildfires to spread lies about why their houses burned. And it's irresponsible af. Don't we have enough conspiracy theories as it is without attributing to antifa what they didn't do? And I'm sure there's a commandant in there about bearing false witness. My understanding is the fires were started out of complete human carelessness as usual. That in no way denies the existence of antifa.

Arson is arson. I don't think it much matters if it was due to antifa or some other numbnut. People are intentionally setting fires. That is the only fact that concerns me. The articles I have read do not mention carelessness whatsoever, they talk about people committing arson, about people starting fires deliberately. The one fire that is due to carelessness is the gender-reveal one, and people who get into that are idiotic and I am not surprised they were careless. (Yes, I'm being judge-y, I admit that. It is how I feel about them and I won't apologize for it.)

Well, according to Newsom and/or the dems, the fires are cause by climate change.

So, a can of zippo fluid and a disposable Bic lighter is now the same as climate change?!
Boy, how things change so quickly!

[Valentina327]

the irony of you being butthurt with unconfirmed rumors being spread as you call others "extremists" and believe the Atlantic BS article. lol.

ARSON arrests

September 2 Eugene OR Elias Pendergrass charged with arson
https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-nort ... s-say.html

Sept 7 Salinas CA: Anita Esquivel charged with arson
https://kion546.com/news/2020/09/07/wom ... -arrested/

Sept 8 Spokane WA: Christine Comello charged with arson
https://www.khq.com/news/arson-suspect- ... a5965.html

Sept 9: Man seen starting fires at Oregon state park, fire chief says
https://news3lv.com/news/nation-world/m ... chief-says

Sept 10 Puyallup, WA Jeffrey Acorde (Antifa) charged with arson
https://thepostmillennial.com/antifa-ac ... washington

Sept 10 Parkland WA: 2 men arrested for arson
https://komonews.com/news/local/state-p ... ear-sr-512
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/we-got ... IRDGGKOLY/

Sept 10 Junction City OR : Milton Loice Moran, 48, was arrested for lighting a mortar-type firework north of the city.
https://entertainmentoverdose.co.uk/new ... 57848.html

Sept 11 Alameda: Michael Jarrod Bakkela charged with arson
https://ktvl.com/news/local/live-press- ... hain-fires
https://kpic.com/news/local/man-accused ... lmeda-fire

Sept 11 Springfield/Dexter, OR Jonathan Maas charged with arson
https://www.kezi.com/content/news/Sprin ... 85001.html

BIG SUR, CA
https://www.thecalifornian.com/story/ne ... 609484002/

MENDOCINO, CA
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN26221L

UTAH, 14 arson locations
https://kutv.com/news/local/suspected-a ... nal-forest

MUH CLIMATE CHANGE!!!

So ... That might be the 7 arsonists being referred to then?

[Valentina327]

I think a lot of them actually support ANTIFA, just like they support the Marxist BLM.

You hit the nail on the head about proper forest management. For over 50 years the tree hugging left wing zealots who rule the west coast haven't allowed controlled burns to get rid of all of that dense underbrush. They also run to fight every little fire, instead of letting nature run it's course. Then you have over building everywhere.

The huge fire in CA last year was caused by CA electric company not maintaining the wires, letting trees over grow causing electrical lines to snap, and poof, you have a fire. Then over the years, CA closed all of its nuclear power plants,.....the only safe, non polluting power source. Well now they can live with what they have created. Gotta love those rolling blackouts, especially when it's been 110 some days recently.

Turn OFF the appliances, but plug in the fan??? Makes perfect sense, if you're a california liberal tree-hugger!

"Make sure the record player is on ..."

[Della]

https://www.wweek.com/news/state/2020/0 ... -wildfire/

[Mommamia]

Arson is arson. I don't think it much matters if it was due to antifa or some other numbnut. People are intentionally setting fires. That is the only fact that concerns me. The articles I have read do not mention carelessness whatsoever, they talk about people committing arson, about people starting fires deliberately. The one fire that is due to carelessness is the gender-reveal one, and people who get into that are idiotic and I am not surprised they were careless. (Yes, I'm being judge-y, I admit that. It is how I feel about them and I won't apologize for it.)

Well, according to Newsom and/or the dems, the fires are cause by climate change.

So, a can of zippo fluid and a disposable Bic lighter is now the same as climate change?!
Boy, how things change so quickly!

Did you see this one tonight? Nancy Pelosi says mother earth is angry, lol....

[Pjmm]

Didn't they try that, though? Back in the early summer?

I'm not sure, but that's not my point. My point is it's cruel to the victims of these wildfires to spread lies about why their houses burned. And it's irresponsible af. Don't we have enough conspiracy theories as it is without attributing to antifa what they didn't do? And I'm sure there's a commandant in there about bearing false witness. My understanding is the fires were started out of complete human carelessness as usual. That in no way denies the existence of antifa.

Why are your panties all in a wad over a terrorist group being blamed by some for starting those fires? What skin is it off your nose? All of those people who have lost their homes and everything they own, still have lost their homes and everything they own, no matter who or what started the fires. Do you think it makes them feel better if they have no one to blame?

And you, nor the NYT or WAPO or any other publication knows for a fact that there's not some Antifa or other extremist/terrorists running around the woods in the west setting fires just so they can sit back and watch the chaos they've created.

Because it spreads fear and hatred more of which we don't need. The hatred maybe doesn't matter. It's anti fa. the fear does matter. We're already so afraid as a country, divided and worried about who's out to get us we can't start bailing this sinking ship. I can't believe I've even got to spell out why we should be concerned over possible propaganda and lies.

[Lemons]

There is no discussing issues with extremists. There are no disputes between the FBI and local police forces in the northwest. They are all clear that there is no evidence that wild fires are being set by left wing or right wing groups. But extremists and their conspiracy theories can’t even discuss the issue rationally.

[Mommamia]

I'm not sure, but that's not my point. My point is it's cruel to the victims of these wildfires to spread lies about why their houses burned. And it's irresponsible af. Don't we have enough conspiracy theories as it is without attributing to antifa what they didn't do? And I'm sure there's a commandant in there about bearing false witness. My understanding is the fires were started out of complete human carelessness as usual. That in no way denies the existence of antifa.

Why are your panties all in a wad over a terrorist group being blamed by some for starting those fires? What skin is it off your nose? All of those people who have lost their homes and everything they own, still have lost their homes and everything they own, no matter who or what started the fires. Do you think it makes them feel better if they have no one to blame?

And you, nor the NYT or WAPO or any other publication knows for a fact that there's not some Antifa or other extremist/terrorists running around the woods in the west setting fires just so they can sit back and watch the chaos they've created.

Because it spreads fear and hatred more of which we don't need. The hatred maybe doesn't matter. It's anti fa. the fear does matter. We're already so afraid as a country, divided and worried about who's out to get us we can't start bailing this sinking ship. I can't believe I've even got to spell out why we should be concerned over possible propaganda and lies.

Look to the dems for the division and propaganda that's tearing this country apart. Until they are run out of office, nothing is going to change,