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It’s a hand shake, if he was treating women bad all around I’d say there’s a problem. Don’t want to/ can’t shake my hand...whatever.
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I shook hands with a fellow named Mohammed today. As with every religion, people choose which rules they are going to follow and which they let slide. It's a curious choice for him to make...it's not good for his own career to turn awkward every meeting with women in attendance.QuantumNursing wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:03 pmYes he does. Explicitly. It's against his religous beliefs to shake handspinkbutterfly66 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:39 pm He doesn't see women as equal. That is a problem. It's discrimination.
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This.LuckyEightWow wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:09 pm It’s a hand shake, if he was treating women bad all around I’d say there’s a problem. Don’t want to/ can’t shake my hand...whatever.
She's being a silly whiner. And I say that as an atheist. I'm 99.99999999% certain that his refusal to shake her hand has absolutely no impact on the actual job itself. She'll live without him shaking her hand. That's actually a 100% guarantee.
It wouldn't make a difference to me whether he shook my hand or he didn't.
He has the right to not shake her hand.
He has the right to not shake her hand.
QuantumNursing wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 3:49 pm I have a colleague who refuses to shake hands of women due to religous beliefs. A female colleague is reporting this male colleague for discrimination.
Who is right and who is wrong? Does the male colleague have the right to discriminate because of his religous beliefs or should the female colleague be subjected to discrimination
From an HR pov, he is creating a hostile work environment if a female co-worker feels offended or uncomfortable by something that may seem small to a lot of people. The solution to that is the man not shake hands with anybody.
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Yes. My husband is an Orthodox Jew, he doesn’t touch women outside the immediate family.
I don’t touch men outside my immediate family either.
Lucky for us, we’ve only met respectful people who aren’t easily offended by something so stupid. I guess some people just have to be butt hurt to be happy. She can’t force him to do something that goes against his religion anyway.
I don’t touch men outside my immediate family either.
Lucky for us, we’ve only met respectful people who aren’t easily offended by something so stupid. I guess some people just have to be butt hurt to be happy. She can’t force him to do something that goes against his religion anyway.
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He isn’t creating the hostile environment, she is. She could be more tolerant about other people’s religions. Voila! Problem solved.
MysticDreamer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:39 am From an HR pov, he is creating a hostile work environment if a female co-worker feels offended or uncomfortable by something that may seem small to a lot of people. The solution to that is the man not shake hands with anybody.
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It has nothing to do with equality. Forcing him to do something that goes against his religion over ignorance like this IS discrimination.
pinkbutterfly66 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:39 pm He doesn't see women as equal. That is a problem. It's discrimination.
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TBH, I don't think the man should have to shake hands with anyone that he doesn't feel the inclination to. He shouldn't need to even say that it's for religious reasons that he wishes to not shake her hand. But if it IS for religious reasons, the one offended is going to need to get over it.
Unless it can be proven that this man is discriminating against someone, I say leave him alone.
Unless it can be proven that this man is discriminating against someone, I say leave him alone.
Momto2boys973 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:46 am Yes. My husband is an Orthodox Jew, he doesn’t touch women outside the immediate family.
I don’t touch men outside my immediate family either.
Lucky for us, we’ve only met respectful people who aren’t easily offended by something so stupid. I guess some people just have to be butt hurt to be happy. She can’t force him to do something that goes against his religion anyway.