Re: Conroe brewery pulls out as venue for Kyle Rittenhouse rally against censorship
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:52 am
I’m sorry your daughter went through that and I perfectly understand your feelings. I myself have 2 boys who are Orthodox Jews and while, thank G-d we live in a country with practically no antisemitic incidents, they do hear what’s going on elsewhere. Just this weekend a terrorist opened fire in a synagogue in Israel during Shabath and killed at least 7 people (3 are wounded), including a 13 year old boy. Seeing the hurt and the fear in my son’s eyes because they know these are people who hate them enough to want them dead- for no good reason. It’s heartbreaking for a mother to know this is the world they’re living in.
But maybe that’s why it’s hard to you to be objective about the issue of discrimination. By your own admission you’re furious, you’re very emotionally involved and that can cloud your objectivity. As Quorra said, this isn’t black and white. And if you’re living in a multicultural society it WILL happen that sometimes you will have to choose the rights of one individual (or group) vs another. Because they overlap, there’s no way to avoid it because we’re not preprogrammed robots with the same beliefs, the same lifestyles, the same needs, the same experiences, the same background, etc. And sometimes the rights of one group will trump those of another. Hence, the protected classes.
You can’t expect people to treat others exactly the same. I understand your frustration because your daughter really isn’t hurting anyone or spreading hate or encouraging violence against others and as such should expect the same treatment as anyone else who isn’t hurting anyone, or spreading hatred or encouraging violence against others. 100% true. But in your desire to stop that unfair discrimination, you’re jumping to the extreme to suggest that people who do harm others, or spread hate, or encourage violence should also be treated the same as those who don’t or they’re being discriminated against.
Let’s be honest here: as with Quorra’s example, you can’t accuse me of discrimination if I refuse service in a kosher restaurant to a person or group looking for a venue to have their antisemitic and anti-Israel rally, even if that’s a service I offer to the general public. As Quorra said, that’s not harmless to me. It would be very hurtful for me to have to be there, listening to their rhetoric, to how they hate ME, how they wish me and my people gone while I have to serve them. Can you understand that? Do you really think I shouldn’t have the right to deny these people my services? What would I be “discriminating against”? The right to hate me and incite violence against my people? That doesn’t mean that if one of those people wants to have lunch at the restaurant, without inciting any violence or spewing any hatred that I would deny service. That wouldn’t be fair. Let’s say a gay baker has a request from the WBC that they’re holding a funeral protest and they want a huge cake that says “G-d Hates F**” (you know what I mean), would you really accuse the baker of discrimination if he says “no”?
But maybe that’s why it’s hard to you to be objective about the issue of discrimination. By your own admission you’re furious, you’re very emotionally involved and that can cloud your objectivity. As Quorra said, this isn’t black and white. And if you’re living in a multicultural society it WILL happen that sometimes you will have to choose the rights of one individual (or group) vs another. Because they overlap, there’s no way to avoid it because we’re not preprogrammed robots with the same beliefs, the same lifestyles, the same needs, the same experiences, the same background, etc. And sometimes the rights of one group will trump those of another. Hence, the protected classes.
You can’t expect people to treat others exactly the same. I understand your frustration because your daughter really isn’t hurting anyone or spreading hate or encouraging violence against others and as such should expect the same treatment as anyone else who isn’t hurting anyone, or spreading hatred or encouraging violence against others. 100% true. But in your desire to stop that unfair discrimination, you’re jumping to the extreme to suggest that people who do harm others, or spread hate, or encourage violence should also be treated the same as those who don’t or they’re being discriminated against.
Let’s be honest here: as with Quorra’s example, you can’t accuse me of discrimination if I refuse service in a kosher restaurant to a person or group looking for a venue to have their antisemitic and anti-Israel rally, even if that’s a service I offer to the general public. As Quorra said, that’s not harmless to me. It would be very hurtful for me to have to be there, listening to their rhetoric, to how they hate ME, how they wish me and my people gone while I have to serve them. Can you understand that? Do you really think I shouldn’t have the right to deny these people my services? What would I be “discriminating against”? The right to hate me and incite violence against my people? That doesn’t mean that if one of those people wants to have lunch at the restaurant, without inciting any violence or spewing any hatred that I would deny service. That wouldn’t be fair. Let’s say a gay baker has a request from the WBC that they’re holding a funeral protest and they want a huge cake that says “G-d Hates F**” (you know what I mean), would you really accuse the baker of discrimination if he says “no”?
BobCobbMagob wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:39 am
To be honest, what’s actually going on with my 9th grader is that they are non-binary lgbt, and also in Civics class at school.
Harmless enough, but in that class they go over equal rights, what is socially appropriate, how the government works ect… and the subject of businesses providing services to gay people came up. Through plenty of discussion, she left that class truly hurt, and truly believing that she does not deserve to be treated equally to everyone else.
I mean… we are literally teaching some kids to feel inferior and some kids to feel superior when it comes to what rights they deserve and we’re acting like that is what “equity” means.
It’s shameful.
I really don’t know if I’ve ever felt more furious in my life than that day my child came home feeling that they deserved less than everyone else did.
There is no equity/equality debate I can see when discussing how much innocent people deserve equal treatment in America.