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Re: As Trump airs his election doubts, many supporters say they won't accept a Biden win in 2024
Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 4:45 pm
by Deleted User 1511
Della wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 3:44 pm
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 2:41 pm
Della wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 2:23 pm
What a great business man!
"All that cash made farmers whole - and then some. A 2021 study by the University of California-Davis found that soybean farmers received about $5.4 billion more in aid than they lost in price impact."
What do you think that means?
Farmers Welfare
Not really.
Farm subsidies are more like “universal basic income” than welfare. Farming is risky with a whole lot of factors that can create a profit loss. Subsidies basically ensure that if a farmer plants a certain amount of a crop he/she will have assurances that they will have a set amount of income regardless of the market or weather. You can also think of it like an insurance policy. The thing about subsidies is they are reliable numbers and farmers have been getting them since 1940s because without that insurance policy, how would you plan for the season.
Trump’s tariff and trade policies were bankrupting farms because n 2018/2019 and because subsidies account for loss outside of market fluctuations, farmers were needless to say, pissed off. They were fucked. Trump gave farmers a huge bailout outside of congressionally approved funds and it did at that time save a lot of farms. However Trump was accused of “buying votes” and it should be noted that a bailout isn’t sustainable nor helpful for long term farmer’s fiscal planning. Kind of like if someone gave you $100,000 but then couldn’t guarantee your income after next year, it would seem great at the time but not so great 5 years down the road.
Biden rolled back tariffs and trade blocks and now farmers are thriving. However, cost of farming, particularly soy beans has also sky rocketed hence the increase in subsidies coupled with green energy incentives to grow soybeans, lol.
Trump wants to reinstate the trade wars and tariffs AND Republicans want to do away with farmer subsidies. This has the potential to really, really suck for independent farmers.
Re: As Trump airs his election doubts, many supporters say they won't accept a Biden win in 2024
Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 4:55 pm
by Slimshandy
Della wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:30 pm
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 3:59 pm
Della wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 3:44 pm
Farmers Welfare
What do you think happens to your ability to eat if too many farms go out of business?
So we overpay?! By soybean farmers being paid about $5.4 billion more in aid than they lost in price"? That's good business sense?! And that's just soybean farmers!
Would you rather see food shortages?
Re: As Trump airs his election doubts, many supporters say they won't accept a Biden win in 2024
Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 4:57 pm
by Della
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:55 pm
Della wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:30 pm
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 3:59 pm
What do you think happens to your ability to eat if too many farms go out of business?
So we overpay?! By soybean farmers being paid about $5.4 billion more in aid than they lost in price"? That's good business sense?! And that's just soybean farmers!
Would you rather see food shortages?
What part of OVERPAYING with tax payer dollars do you not understand?
Re: As Trump airs his election doubts, many supporters say they won't accept a Biden win in 2024
Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 4:59 pm
by Della
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:45 pm
Della wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 3:44 pm
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 2:41 pm
What do you think that means?
Farmers Welfare
Not really.
Farm subsidies are more like “universal basic income” than welfare. Farming is risky with a whole lot of factors that can create a profit loss. Subsidies basically ensure that if a farmer plants a certain amount of a crop he/she will have assurances that they will have a set amount of income regardless of the market or weather. You can also think of it like an insurance policy. The thing about subsidies is they are reliable numbers and farmers have been getting them since 1940s because without that insurance policy, how would you plan for the season.
Trump’s tariff and trade policies were bankrupting farms because n 2018/2019 and because subsidies account for loss outside of market fluctuations, farmers were needless to say, pissed off. They were fucked. Trump gave farmers a huge bailout outside of congressionally approved funds and it did at that time save a lot of farms. However Trump was accused of “buying votes” and it should be noted that a bailout isn’t sustainable nor helpful for long term farmer’s fiscal planning. Kind of like if someone gave you $100,000 but then couldn’t guarantee your income after next year, it would seem great at the time but not so great 5 years down the road.
Biden rolled back tariffs and trade blocks and now farmers are thriving. However, cost of farming, particularly soy beans has also sky rocketed hence the increase in subsidies coupled with green energy incentives to grow soybeans, lol.
Trump wants to reinstate the trade wars and tariffs AND Republicans want to do away with farmer subsidies. This has the potential to really, really suck for independent farmers.
Subsidies are one thing. Deliberately costing tax payers a profit of billions is unacceptable. But I agree with you regarding the Trump tariffs.
Re: As Trump airs his election doubts, many supporters say they won't accept a Biden win in 2024
Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 5:16 pm
by Slimshandy
Della wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:57 pm
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:55 pm
Della wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:30 pm
So we overpay?! By soybean farmers being paid about $5.4 billion more in aid than they lost in price"? That's good business sense?! And that's just soybean farmers!
Would you rather see food shortages?
What part of OVERPAYING with tax payer dollars do you not understand?
I fully understand that you’re trying to present tax overpayment as topping the importance of food shortages…
But I’ll ask again, would you rather see food shortages?
Re: As Trump airs his election doubts, many supporters say they won't accept a Biden win in 2024
Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 5:21 pm
by Deleted User 1511
Della wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:59 pm
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:45 pm
Della wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 3:44 pm
Farmers Welfare
Not really.
Farm subsidies are more like “universal basic income” than welfare. Farming is risky with a whole lot of factors that can create a profit loss. Subsidies basically ensure that if a farmer plants a certain amount of a crop he/she will have assurances that they will have a set amount of income regardless of the market or weather. You can also think of it like an insurance policy. The thing about subsidies is they are reliable numbers and farmers have been getting them since 1940s because without that insurance policy, how would you plan for the season.
Trump’s tariff and trade policies were bankrupting farms because n 2018/2019 and because subsidies account for loss outside of market fluctuations, farmers were needless to say, pissed off. They were fucked. Trump gave farmers a huge bailout outside of congressionally approved funds and it did at that time save a lot of farms. However Trump was accused of “buying votes” and it should be noted that a bailout isn’t sustainable nor helpful for long term farmer’s fiscal planning. Kind of like if someone gave you $100,000 but then couldn’t guarantee your income after next year, it would seem great at the time but not so great 5 years down the road.
Biden rolled back tariffs and trade blocks and now farmers are thriving. However, cost of farming, particularly soy beans has also sky rocketed hence the increase in subsidies coupled with green energy incentives to grow soybeans, lol.
Trump wants to reinstate the trade wars and tariffs AND Republicans want to do away with farmer subsidies. This has the potential to really, really suck for independent farmers.
Subsidies are one thing. Deliberately costing tax payers a profit of billions is unacceptable. But I agree with you regarding the Trump tariffs.
Yes, the overpayment to soybean farmers was obscene hence the accusations of buying votes.
Re: As Trump airs his election doubts, many supporters say they won't accept a Biden win in 2024
Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 5:53 pm
by Slimshandy
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 5:21 pm
Della wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:59 pm
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:45 pm
Not really.
Farm subsidies are more like “universal basic income” than welfare. Farming is risky with a whole lot of factors that can create a profit loss. Subsidies basically ensure that if a farmer plants a certain amount of a crop he/she will have assurances that they will have a set amount of income regardless of the market or weather. You can also think of it like an insurance policy. The thing about subsidies is they are reliable numbers and farmers have been getting them since 1940s because without that insurance policy, how would you plan for the season.
Trump’s tariff and trade policies were bankrupting farms because n 2018/2019 and because subsidies account for loss outside of market fluctuations, farmers were needless to say, pissed off. They were fucked. Trump gave farmers a huge bailout outside of congressionally approved funds and it did at that time save a lot of farms. However Trump was accused of “buying votes” and it should be noted that a bailout isn’t sustainable nor helpful for long term farmer’s fiscal planning. Kind of like if someone gave you $100,000 but then couldn’t guarantee your income after next year, it would seem great at the time but not so great 5 years down the road.
Biden rolled back tariffs and trade blocks and now farmers are thriving. However, cost of farming, particularly soy beans has also sky rocketed hence the increase in subsidies coupled with green energy incentives to grow soybeans, lol.
Trump wants to reinstate the trade wars and tariffs AND Republicans want to do away with farmer subsidies. This has the potential to really, really suck for independent farmers.
Subsidies are one thing. Deliberately costing tax payers a profit of billions is unacceptable. But I agree with you regarding the Trump tariffs.
Yes, the overpayment to soybean farmers was obscene hence the accusations of buying votes.
Your boy just tried sending 100 billion to go kill people (and got most of it), as his son is about to go on trial for getting illegal payments from that country…
And you’re arguing that 5 billion is too much for farmers to help make sure we don’t go into food shortages…
Maybe you can understand how people think the prioritization of American tax dollars is much more mishandled under Biden…
Re: As Trump airs his election doubts, many supporters say they won't accept a Biden win in 2024
Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 6:12 pm
by Della
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 5:53 pm
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 5:21 pm
Della wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:59 pm
Subsidies are one thing. Deliberately costing tax payers a profit of billions is unacceptable. But I agree with you regarding the Trump tariffs.
Yes, the overpayment to soybean farmers was obscene hence the accusations of buying votes.
Your boy just tried sending 100 billion to go kill people (and got most of it), as
his son is about to go on trial for getting illegal payments from that country…
And you’re arguing that 5 billion is too much for farmers to help make sure we don’t go into food shortages…
Maybe you can understand how people think the prioritization of American tax dollars is much more mishandled under Biden…
He's not being charged for any such thing. SMH.
https://www.justice.gov/sco-weiss/pr/gr ... 20offenses.
Are you okay with these billions being sent to kill people? "The bill also includes some $14.1 billion for funding to support Israel".
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stori ... el-taiwan/
Re: As Trump airs his election doubts, many supporters say they won't accept a Biden win in 2024
Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 6:15 pm
by Deleted User 1511
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 5:53 pm
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 5:21 pm
Della wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:59 pm
Subsidies are one thing. Deliberately costing tax payers a profit of billions is unacceptable. But I agree with you regarding the Trump tariffs.
Yes, the overpayment to soybean farmers was obscene hence the accusations of buying votes.
Your boy just tried sending 100 billion to go kill people (and got most of it), as his son is about to go on trial for getting illegal payments from that country…
And you’re arguing that 5 billion is too much for farmers to help make sure we don’t go into food shortages…
Maybe you can understand how people think the prioritization of American tax dollars is much more mishandled under Biden…
He not “my boy” any more than Trump is “your boy”. I thought we were talking about benefit of Trump vs Biden regarding farmers? I get it, you don’t know the difference between a subsidy and a bailout so want to deflect, lol
Re: As Trump airs his election doubts, many supporters say they won't accept a Biden win in 2024
Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 6:16 pm
by Della
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 5:16 pm
Della wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:57 pm
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:55 pm
Would you rather see
food shortages?
What part of OVERPAYING with tax payer dollars do you not understand?
I fully understand that you’re trying to present tax overpayment as topping the importance of
food shortages…
But I’ll ask again, would you rather see
food shortages?
What is your source for such a claim?