Israeli-American hostage Hersh Goldberg-Polin confirmed dead by family

[Quorra2.0]

Interesting how easily offended you get at perceived insults and yet you regularly attempt it. The more direct approach is only a marginally different tactic for you. If I thought there was only 2 solutions to your actions I’d either ignore you or respond back with an insult. However, there are more than 2 solutions and my more direct response is this:

I’m not sure how you’ve come to that illogical conclusion. I vehemently oppose terrorism. Granted I don’t personally know any terrorists to know what they sound like. I’ve only read redacted interrogation interviews, studies, reports, and have received biased first hand accounts from people who participated in conducting interrogations.

ETA: just to further directly address: no Hamas hasn’t failed, they have been succeeding at their goals in initiating this conflict, at least the most logical conclusions of the goals given their charter and actions.

Reading comprehension not your forte? If it was you wouldn’t have even bothered putting those next two in bold.

And yes, off the top of my head, I can not think of another terrorist organization that has successfully gained support. I’m sure social media has played a part in this. Or do “we” no longer claim that any of the protesters support Hamas only the Palestinian people?

You sound like a terrorist.

The only mistake Israel has made is giving into pressure? So it wasn’t a mistake to you when they killed aid workers? Or when IDF soldiers accidentally killed 3 hostages in a failed rescued attempt? That’s seriously next level on bias blindness.

The saying “You can’t control other peoples actions just your response.” is very true. The actions of one does not absolve the other of their reactions.

It has been an epic fail on Israel’s part. It would be for any country who followed the same strategies and tactics against the same entity under the same conditions. I cautioned you against these biases and placing Israel on a pedestal. Be realistic on how you see this playing out, not how you want it to play out, but how, given all factors including those you may look at and dismiss as insignificant.

This hasn’t been a fail on Hamas’ part. Entities like Hamas are not destroyed in physical battles. You take out one leader, two more ascend to take his place. Martyrdom is the supreme desirable means of ascension into the afterlife. So the death of leaders only turns them into martyrs to other Hamas. Death of some are an acceptable sacrifice, while the death of others are seen by them as little more than extermination, both of which only hold the value, it MUST be emphasized that value is not of the lives lost, but the effects those deaths have. They use the deaths of Palestinians as a means to play victim as well as “proof” of the false idea they are freedom fighters for the people they use the deaths of hostages to amplify suffering in such a cruel way that calling it sadistic isn’t a strong enough descriptor.

While this war wages on Iran and Hezbollah have made clear they are waiting in the wings at the ready. They keep reminding this. Once they come out of the wings, it’s highly likely to embolden others as well. Israel had been experiencing heightened division before October 7, that division has only widened and each day that hostages are not brought home, each body recovered is going to continue to increase this division, and it’s going to continue to increase as long as there are Israelis marginalized and attempts to strip their identities continue(the latter is not just an Israel problem but also seen among Jews globally). Globally Hamas has gained support at a level that, off the top of my head I can’t think of any terror organization actually achieving. Israel already experienced differing levels of global isolation, Hamas has increased this, and Israel has made their own contribution to increasing this. There is little to no good outcome from this war. It’s ignorant to think there has only been 2 option solutions.

This isn’t on Israel. It’s first and foremost on Hamas. The only mistake Israel has made is give in to pressure, especially from the U.S.
Because if anyone has contributed to this it’s the Biden administration. They threatened to withdraw support if Israel entered into Rafah- where these hostages were being held- and have been bullying Israel into pointless negotiations with terrorists instead of letting them do their thing. They even halted aid to bully Israel into not going into Rafah. If instead they gave the “unwavering support” they claimed to have, this probably wouldn’t have happened. Israel wasted precious time trying to appease Biden and Kamala.
Hope they learned their lesson.

[Momto2boys973]

Both your examples were ACCIDENTS. ACCIDENTS happen in the midst of war. MISTAKES happen when you have ample time to ponder your actions and you make a wrong choice even with the best of intentions.

I see you joined the pro Hamas side. And not only that, you’re happily displaying your utter ignorance on dealing with terrorists. How were Al Qaeda and ISIS dealt with? Over a cup of coffee?

But, hey. ignorance is bliss apparently. You can now blissfully show your true self, like others have here.

The only mistake Israel has made is giving into pressure? So it wasn’t a mistake to you when they killed aid workers? Or when IDF soldiers accidentally killed 3 hostages in a failed rescued attempt? That’s seriously next level on bias blindness.

The saying “You can’t control other peoples actions just your response.” is very true. The actions of one does not absolve the other of their reactions.

It has been an epic fail on Israel’s part. It would be for any country who followed the same strategies and tactics against the same entity under the same conditions. I cautioned you against these biases and placing Israel on a pedestal. Be realistic on how you see this playing out, not how you want it to play out, but how, given all factors including those you may look at and dismiss as insignificant.

This hasn’t been a fail on Hamas’ part. Entities like Hamas are not destroyed in physical battles. You take out one leader, two more ascend to take his place. Martyrdom is the supreme desirable means of ascension into the afterlife. So the death of leaders only turns them into martyrs to other Hamas. Death of some are an acceptable sacrifice, while the death of others are seen by them as little more than extermination, both of which only hold the value, it MUST be emphasized that value is not of the lives lost, but the effects those deaths have. They use the deaths of Palestinians as a means to play victim as well as “proof” of the false idea they are freedom fighters for the people they use the deaths of hostages to amplify suffering in such a cruel way that calling it sadistic isn’t a strong enough descriptor.

While this war wages on Iran and Hezbollah have made clear they are waiting in the wings at the ready. They keep reminding this. Once they come out of the wings, it’s highly likely to embolden others as well. Israel had been experiencing heightened division before October 7, that division has only widened and each day that hostages are not brought home, each body recovered is going to continue to increase this division, and it’s going to continue to increase as long as there are Israelis marginalized and attempts to strip their identities continue(the latter is not just an Israel problem but also seen among Jews globally). Globally Hamas has gained support at a level that, off the top of my head I can’t think of any terror organization actually achieving. Israel already experienced differing levels of global isolation, Hamas has increased this, and Israel has made their own contribution to increasing this. There is little to no good outcome from this war. It’s ignorant to think there has only been 2 option solutions.

This isn’t on Israel. It’s first and foremost on Hamas. The only mistake Israel has made is give in to pressure, especially from the U.S.
Because if anyone has contributed to this it’s the Biden administration. They threatened to withdraw support if Israel entered into Rafah- where these hostages were being held- and have been bullying Israel into pointless negotiations with terrorists instead of letting them do their thing. They even halted aid to bully Israel into not going into Rafah. If instead they gave the “unwavering support” they claimed to have, this probably wouldn’t have happened. Israel wasted precious time trying to appease Biden and Kamala.
Hope they learned their lesson.

Sadly not surprising. My heart just breaks for the families. Holding onto hope while the feelings of hopelessness have been growing…it’s not just the hostages who’ve suffered and been suffering.

This has been a total epic fail on Israel’s part and be extremely hard for them to recover from.

[Momto2boys973]

It was just a matter of time before she too shed the mask…

You sound like a terrorist.

The only mistake Israel has made is giving into pressure? So it wasn’t a mistake to you when they killed aid workers? Or when IDF soldiers accidentally killed 3 hostages in a failed rescued attempt? That’s seriously next level on bias blindness.

The saying “You can’t control other peoples actions just your response.” is very true. The actions of one does not absolve the other of their reactions.

It has been an epic fail on Israel’s part. It would be for any country who followed the same strategies and tactics against the same entity under the same conditions. I cautioned you against these biases and placing Israel on a pedestal. Be realistic on how you see this playing out, not how you want it to play out, but how, given all factors including those you may look at and dismiss as insignificant.

This hasn’t been a fail on Hamas’ part. Entities like Hamas are not destroyed in physical battles. You take out one leader, two more ascend to take his place. Martyrdom is the supreme desirable means of ascension into the afterlife. So the death of leaders only turns them into martyrs to other Hamas. Death of some are an acceptable sacrifice, while the death of others are seen by them as little more than extermination, both of which only hold the value, it MUST be emphasized that value is not of the lives lost, but the effects those deaths have. They use the deaths of Palestinians as a means to play victim as well as “proof” of the false idea they are freedom fighters for the people they use the deaths of hostages to amplify suffering in such a cruel way that calling it sadistic isn’t a strong enough descriptor.

While this war wages on Iran and Hezbollah have made clear they are waiting in the wings at the ready. They keep reminding this. Once they come out of the wings, it’s highly likely to embolden others as well. Israel had been experiencing heightened division before October 7, that division has only widened and each day that hostages are not brought home, each body recovered is going to continue to increase this division, and it’s going to continue to increase as long as there are Israelis marginalized and attempts to strip their identities continue(the latter is not just an Israel problem but also seen among Jews globally). Globally Hamas has gained support at a level that, off the top of my head I can’t think of any terror organization actually achieving. Israel already experienced differing levels of global isolation, Hamas has increased this, and Israel has made their own contribution to increasing this. There is little to no good outcome from this war. It’s ignorant to think there has only been 2 option solutions.

This isn’t on Israel. It’s first and foremost on Hamas. The only mistake Israel has made is give in to pressure, especially from the U.S.
Because if anyone has contributed to this it’s the Biden administration. They threatened to withdraw support if Israel entered into Rafah- where these hostages were being held- and have been bullying Israel into pointless negotiations with terrorists instead of letting them do their thing. They even halted aid to bully Israel into not going into Rafah. If instead they gave the “unwavering support” they claimed to have, this probably wouldn’t have happened. Israel wasted precious time trying to appease Biden and Kamala.
Hope they learned their lesson.

[Slimshandy]

I’m not offended… there’s nothing for me to be offended about…


That’s what you sound like.


If you were watching a movie and one of the characters said stuff like that, you’d go, Oh, they’re on the terrorist team.

Interesting how easily offended you get at perceived insults and yet you regularly attempt it. The more direct approach is only a marginally different tactic for you. If I thought there was only 2 solutions to your actions I’d either ignore you or respond back with an insult. However, there are more than 2 solutions and my more direct response is this:

I’m not sure how you’ve come to that illogical conclusion. I vehemently oppose terrorism. Granted I don’t personally know any terrorists to know what they sound like. I’ve only read redacted interrogation interviews, studies, reports, and have received biased first hand accounts from people who participated in conducting interrogations.

ETA: just to further directly address: no Hamas hasn’t failed, they have been succeeding at their goals in initiating this conflict, at least the most logical conclusions of the goals given their charter and actions.

Reading comprehension not your forte? If it was you wouldn’t have even bothered putting those next two in bold.

And yes, off the top of my head, I can not think of another terrorist organization that has successfully gained support. I’m sure social media has played a part in this. Or do “we” no longer claim that any of the protesters support Hamas only the Palestinian people?

You sound like a terrorist.

The only mistake Israel has made is giving into pressure? So it wasn’t a mistake to you when they killed aid workers? Or when IDF soldiers accidentally killed 3 hostages in a failed rescued attempt? That’s seriously next level on bias blindness.

The saying “You can’t control other peoples actions just your response.” is very true. The actions of one does not absolve the other of their reactions.

It has been an epic fail on Israel’s part. It would be for any country who followed the same strategies and tactics against the same entity under the same conditions. I cautioned you against these biases and placing Israel on a pedestal. Be realistic on how you see this playing out, not how you want it to play out, but how, given all factors including those you may look at and dismiss as insignificant.

This hasn’t been a fail on Hamas’ part. Entities like Hamas are not destroyed in physical battles. You take out one leader, two more ascend to take his place. Martyrdom is the supreme desirable means of ascension into the afterlife. So the death of leaders only turns them into martyrs to other Hamas. Death of some are an acceptable sacrifice, while the death of others are seen by them as little more than extermination, both of which only hold the value, it MUST be emphasized that value is not of the lives lost, but the effects those deaths have. They use the deaths of Palestinians as a means to play victim as well as “proof” of the false idea they are freedom fighters for the people they use the deaths of hostages to amplify suffering in such a cruel way that calling it sadistic isn’t a strong enough descriptor.

While this war wages on Iran and Hezbollah have made clear they are waiting in the wings at the ready. They keep reminding this. Once they come out of the wings, it’s highly likely to embolden others as well. Israel had been experiencing heightened division before October 7, that division has only widened and each day that hostages are not brought home, each body recovered is going to continue to increase this division, and it’s going to continue to increase as long as there are Israelis marginalized and attempts to strip their identities continue(the latter is not just an Israel problem but also seen among Jews globally). Globally Hamas has gained support at a level that, off the top of my head I can’t think of any terror organization actually achieving. Israel already experienced differing levels of global isolation, Hamas has increased this, and Israel has made their own contribution to increasing this. There is little to no good outcome from this war. It’s ignorant to think there has only been 2 option solutions.

[Momto2boys973]

And let’s not forget Hersh was an American. His murder went completely ignored and I have to wonder why. And I will say it as it is: Because he was an Israeli Jew. If he had been an American hostage held by Russia or China and then executed, people would be fuming. Biden wouldn’t be having a nice vacation at the beach and Kamala wouldn’t be giggling like a moron in her campaign. And yet, Hersh’s blood was cheap, they don’t care. Biden cared enough to blame Netanyahu for it without acknowledging his contribution to this tragedy. Ironic how democrats always criticized Trump for throwing blame on others, but when Biden does it, oh, he’s absolutely right.
Just look how sad this is. A post made to honor a young man who lost his arm trying to save others. He was dragged away, kidnapped, tortured for 11 months and when the IDF was close to rescuing him, these cowardly POS executed him as part of a psychological war. And MOTHERS here instead of being able to feel the pain, to empathize with a family that went through tragedy, to care for a fellow American that was tortured for 11 months only to be executed when he was about to be rescued, are spewing their hatred and prejudices.

But Quorra is right about something: this wasn’t a fail by Hamas. Thanks to people like her who will look for faults and failings from Israel at every step. And Hamas knows they have plenty of useful idiots deflecting blame from them. Maybe it is a fail from Israel not to be like them and just murder without consideration. Maybe they should stop caring about what those who detest them no matter what have to say. I mean if people like these will demonize, blame and vilify Israel anyway, they may as well just not care and destroy the enemy completely without caring a pour the innocent people caught in the middle.
But we are better than that. Even if haters call that “putting Israel on a pedestal” and claiming that’s wrong.

I’m not offended… there’s nothing for me to be offended about…


That’s what you sound like.


If you were watching a movie and one of the characters said stuff like that, you’d go, Oh, they’re on the terrorist team.

Interesting how easily offended you get at perceived insults and yet you regularly attempt it. The more direct approach is only a marginally different tactic for you. If I thought there was only 2 solutions to your actions I’d either ignore you or respond back with an insult. However, there are more than 2 solutions and my more direct response is this:

I’m not sure how you’ve come to that illogical conclusion. I vehemently oppose terrorism. Granted I don’t personally know any terrorists to know what they sound like. I’ve only read redacted interrogation interviews, studies, reports, and have received biased first hand accounts from people who participated in conducting interrogations.

ETA: just to further directly address: no Hamas hasn’t failed, they have been succeeding at their goals in initiating this conflict, at least the most logical conclusions of the goals given their charter and actions.

Reading comprehension not your forte? If it was you wouldn’t have even bothered putting those next two in bold.

And yes, off the top of my head, I can not think of another terrorist organization that has successfully gained support. I’m sure social media has played a part in this. Or do “we” no longer claim that any of the protesters support Hamas only the Palestinian people?

You sound like a terrorist.

[Quorra2.0]

Unless it’s natural disasters, accidents happen when mistakes are made. War isn’t a natural disaster. Israel OWNED their MISTAKES that contributed to the accidents. The ONLY Israeli leaders who haven’t are Smotrich and a few others who share his ideology. IF you share his ideology…then all your unfounded false accusations are nothing more than gaslighting and deflecting what’s truly in your heart, which is no better than anyone chanting death to any group of people.

I don’t believe human life has such little value that innocent lives lost and/or suffering is acceptable collateral damage, nor inflicting or contributing to the infliction of suffering of many is an acceptable collateral damage. If THAT is what you think is pro Hamas then you are not only ignorant but insane.

Al-Qaeda and ISIS are the same entity. They are also IS, ISIL, Daesh, and at least 20 other names. It took the US almost 30 yrs and way too much “acceptable collateral damage” for what? Trump negotiated a withdrawal deal with the Taliban, not the Afghanistan government, even promised them the release of 5,000 Taliban prisoners of the Afghanistan government, simultaneously the Taliban took control of Afghanistan and an evacuation not dissimilar to Saigon with more “collateral damage”. Taliban put some Al-Qaeda members into government positions. THAT’s success to you? The US didn’t even have the disadvantages of it being at our borders with them sending missiles at our homes. Interesting little bit, there was a lot of analysis of Hamas’ October 7th attack. The strategies and tactics implemented were very dissimilar to Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran signature tactics they were however right out of Al-Qaeda’s playbook. This caused some initial speculation of Al-Qaeda being involved. Eventually, it was decided this was unlikely given Al-Qaeda/Hezbollah/Iran relationships. There was more evidence that Palestinians who had been members of Al-Qaeda, joined Hamas and helped plan the attack. If this is true, it’s another thing to add to the list of fails on the US’s part and reiterates that it wasn’t a success.

Both your examples were ACCIDENTS. ACCIDENTS happen in the midst of war. MISTAKES happen when you have ample time to ponder your actions and you make a wrong choice even with the best of intentions.

I see you joined the pro Hamas side. And not only that, you’re happily displaying your utter ignorance on dealing with terrorists. How were Al Qaeda and ISIS dealt with? Over a cup of coffee?

But, hey. ignorance is bliss apparently. You can now blissfully show your true self, like others have here.

The only mistake Israel has made is giving into pressure? So it wasn’t a mistake to you when they killed aid workers? Or when IDF soldiers accidentally killed 3 hostages in a failed rescued attempt? That’s seriously next level on bias blindness.

The saying “You can’t control other peoples actions just your response.” is very true. The actions of one does not absolve the other of their reactions.

It has been an epic fail on Israel’s part. It would be for any country who followed the same strategies and tactics against the same entity under the same conditions. I cautioned you against these biases and placing Israel on a pedestal. Be realistic on how you see this playing out, not how you want it to play out, but how, given all factors including those you may look at and dismiss as insignificant.

This hasn’t been a fail on Hamas’ part. Entities like Hamas are not destroyed in physical battles. You take out one leader, two more ascend to take his place. Martyrdom is the supreme desirable means of ascension into the afterlife. So the death of leaders only turns them into martyrs to other Hamas. Death of some are an acceptable sacrifice, while the death of others are seen by them as little more than extermination, both of which only hold the value, it MUST be emphasized that value is not of the lives lost, but the effects those deaths have. They use the deaths of Palestinians as a means to play victim as well as “proof” of the false idea they are freedom fighters for the people they use the deaths of hostages to amplify suffering in such a cruel way that calling it sadistic isn’t a strong enough descriptor.

While this war wages on Iran and Hezbollah have made clear they are waiting in the wings at the ready. They keep reminding this. Once they come out of the wings, it’s highly likely to embolden others as well. Israel had been experiencing heightened division before October 7, that division has only widened and each day that hostages are not brought home, each body recovered is going to continue to increase this division, and it’s going to continue to increase as long as there are Israelis marginalized and attempts to strip their identities continue(the latter is not just an Israel problem but also seen among Jews globally). Globally Hamas has gained support at a level that, off the top of my head I can’t think of any terror organization actually achieving. Israel already experienced differing levels of global isolation, Hamas has increased this, and Israel has made their own contribution to increasing this. There is little to no good outcome from this war. It’s ignorant to think there has only been 2 option solutions.

This isn’t on Israel. It’s first and foremost on Hamas. The only mistake Israel has made is give in to pressure, especially from the U.S.
Because if anyone has contributed to this it’s the Biden administration. They threatened to withdraw support if Israel entered into Rafah- where these hostages were being held- and have been bullying Israel into pointless negotiations with terrorists instead of letting them do their thing. They even halted aid to bully Israel into not going into Rafah. If instead they gave the “unwavering support” they claimed to have, this probably wouldn’t have happened. Israel wasted precious time trying to appease Biden and Kamala.
Hope they learned their lesson.

[AZOldGal66]

My personal thoughts and heartache are with the families and loved ones of ALL the hostages and right now, the recent 6 who were murdered before IDF showed up.

I'm disgusted by the terrorist organizations involved in this eleven month (current) attack on Israel.

Anyone who supports them is a zero in my book.

[Della]

My personal thoughts and heartache are with the families and loved ones of ALL the hostages and right now, the recent 6 who were murdered before IDF showed up.

I'm disgusted by the terrorist organizations involved in this eleven month (current) attack on Israel.

Anyone who supports them is a zero in my book.

Same can be said about those who support Israel.

Why don't you show us where in the old testament does God return the land to the Jews?

[AZOldGal66]

My personal thoughts and heartache are with the families and loved ones of ALL the hostages and right now, the recent 6 who were murdered before IDF showed up.

I'm disgusted by the terrorist organizations involved in this eleven month (current) attack on Israel.

Anyone who supports them is a zero in my book.

Same can be said about those who support Israel.

Why don't you show us where in the old testament does God return the land to the Jews?

Who is "us"?

The lines are drawn in society on who supports who in this very old, historical battle between different cultures, people, and beliefs in the middle east.

Not everyone views the writings in the Christian Bible as fact-based so why would you want to draw me out to discuss it? What would your point be?

If you want a Bible-based sermon, go to a Christian church or Bible study if you're sincerely interested. You won't find an answer to your question from me.

[Quorra2.0]

My personal thoughts and heartache are with the families and loved ones of ALL the hostages and right now, the recent 6 who were murdered before IDF showed up.

I'm disgusted by the terrorist organizations involved in this eleven month (current) attack on Israel.

Anyone who supports them is a zero in my book.

Same can be said about those who support Israel.

Why don't you show us where in the old testament does God return the land to the Jews?

I disagree with it being equivalent,. Terrorist organizations are subgroups with a singular set of ideologies. Israel is not, it’s a country with multiple sets of ideologies, multiple political parties.