SouthernIslander wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 10:23 am
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2024 9:47 pm
I'm confused. I assumed the argument in the last thread was that transgender women who still had male genitalia would be able to walk around with their genitalia exposed - face height! So someone walks around with genitalia exposed and they are arrested and this is seen as a bad thing?
I think the problem is, it is too easy for a man to say he identifies as a woman to enter female spaces. As predatory as men are, I can't say this isn't a valid concern.
That doesn't mean ban all trans women from our spaces, but there needs to be a compromise. IMHO.
Men have been coming into women's spaces to cause harm well before the transgender bathroom issue. IMO, until individual bathrooms and changing stalls are standard, the unisex or family individual bathroom that most establishments including gyms provide is a good compromise.
Transgender women are not the issue, predatory men are.
It just feels with these threads that we're beating a dead horse. Half the women in this group believe that transgender women are women and half don't and I just feel that these threads aren't going to change minds.
There are a lot of women in my life that I love deeply and want to see safe and protected and respected. Some of these women were born with male genitalia and obviously I want them included and respected when talking about how to keep women safe.
And is it so easy for a man to say he identifies as a woman to enter female spaces? This guy was arrested, as he should have been. Honestly, if a naked woman came up to my daughter in the locker room and asked to shower with her and rub lotion on her, arrest would be going easy on her, lol.
Honestly, I wish we'd go back to bathroom and locker room attendants like what was standard when I was growing up!
ETA: the conversation really revolves around transgender women who don't "pass" because it has never been an issue about transgender women who do "pass".
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