Donald Trump's Losing White Evangelicals to Joe Biden

[Slimshandy]

Tomayto, tomato,

https://www.oah.org/tah/november-5/evan ... -politics/

I wonder how many out of those four writers are evangelical.

It's pretty easy to google, lol.
Lerone Martin is a Black Evangelical and is an associate professor of religious studies at Stanford
Laura Gifford holds a PhD in American History and is a Deacon in the Evangelical Lutheran Church
John Fea "is a Distinguished Professor of History at Messiah College in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania. A scholar of early American history and American religious history, he is the author of several books..." and is Evangelical
R Marie Griffith is a professor at Washington University in St. Louis - "Professor Griffith writes extensively on religion and politics, including topics on evangelical women. She is ​a frequent media commentator and public speaker on current issues, including the changing profile of American evangelicals and ongoing conflicts over gender, sexuality and marriage." She grew up as a Southern Baptist and was previously a professor at Harvard school of Divinity.

Oh good, thank you for that.


It would be interesting to find out if they distinguished southern evangelicals from coastal evangelicals.

[MonarchMom]

Very true. Well, not wrong to study it, but to write about that culture as though you are an expert on it is wrong.

If you’re an outsider writing about another culture, you will not understand all of the intricacies of that culture, nor be able to accurately grasp what motivates them.

You can make very educated guesses…but that’s the extent of it. The only experts on any specific culture are the members of that culture, not armchair anthropologists.

You can also be inside a group and blind to what the leadership is doing, the motivations and the repercussions. Just being a member of a group does not mean someone has the background to examine context and history. It just means you know the daily experience.

People who study religion, culture or social groups professionally are not doing so from an "armchair" nor are the "guessing." They have the training and skills to collect data, interview subjects and anaylize information. You may not agree with the conclusions they draw, but that does not mean they are inaccurate.

Armchair anthropologist is an actual term.

Look it up.

But it does not apply to these authors.

[Della]

I wonder how many out of those four writers are evangelical.

You seem to think that people outside of a group are wrong to write about or study it.

Very true. Well, not wrong to study it, but to write about that culture as though you are an expert on it is wrong.

If you’re an outsider writing about another culture, you will not understand all of the intricacies of that culture, nor be able to accurately grasp what motivates them.

You can make very educated guesses…but that’s the extent of it. The only experts on any specific culture are the members of that culture, not armchair anthropologists.

Educated guesses by armchair anthropologists. Oh my

You are a great source of amusement sometimes.

[Slimshandy]

You can also be inside a group and blind to what the leadership is doing, the motivations and the repercussions. Just being a member of a group does not mean someone has the background to examine context and history. It just means you know the daily experience.

People who study religion, culture or social groups professionally are not doing so from an "armchair" nor are the "guessing." They have the training and skills to collect data, interview subjects and anaylize information. You may not agree with the conclusions they draw, but that does not mean they are inaccurate.

Armchair anthropologist is an actual term.

Look it up.

But it does not apply to these authors.

I didn’t say it did.

I asked the first question…

Now that it’s answered, I asked a second question…

[Slimshandy]

You seem to think that people outside of a group are wrong to write about or study it.

Very true. Well, not wrong to study it, but to write about that culture as though you are an expert on it is wrong.

If you’re an outsider writing about another culture, you will not understand all of the intricacies of that culture, nor be able to accurately grasp what motivates them.

You can make very educated guesses…but that’s the extent of it. The only experts on any specific culture are the members of that culture, not armchair anthropologists.

Educated guesses by armchair anthropologists. Oh my

You are a great source of amusement sometimes.

Some people are easily amused…

[mommy_jules]

I wonder how many out of those four writers are evangelical.

It's pretty easy to google, lol.
Lerone Martin is a Black Evangelical and is an associate professor of religious studies at Stanford
Laura Gifford holds a PhD in American History and is a Deacon in the Evangelical Lutheran Church
John Fea "is a Distinguished Professor of History at Messiah College in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania. A scholar of early American history and American religious history, he is the author of several books..." and is Evangelical
R Marie Griffith is a professor at Washington University in St. Louis - "Professor Griffith writes extensively on religion and politics, including topics on evangelical women. She is ​a frequent media commentator and public speaker on current issues, including the changing profile of American evangelicals and ongoing conflicts over gender, sexuality and marriage." She grew up as a Southern Baptist and was previously a professor at Harvard school of Divinity.

Oh good, thank you for that.


It would be interesting to find out if they distinguished southern evangelicals from coastal evangelicals.

Why would they distinguish between southern and coastal evangelicals?

[Slimshandy]

It's pretty easy to google, lol.
Lerone Martin is a Black Evangelical and is an associate professor of religious studies at Stanford
Laura Gifford holds a PhD in American History and is a Deacon in the Evangelical Lutheran Church
John Fea "is a Distinguished Professor of History at Messiah College in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania. A scholar of early American history and American religious history, he is the author of several books..." and is Evangelical
R Marie Griffith is a professor at Washington University in St. Louis - "Professor Griffith writes extensively on religion and politics, including topics on evangelical women. She is ​a frequent media commentator and public speaker on current issues, including the changing profile of American evangelicals and ongoing conflicts over gender, sexuality and marriage." She grew up as a Southern Baptist and was previously a professor at Harvard school of Divinity.

Oh good, thank you for that.


It would be interesting to find out if they distinguished southern evangelicals from coastal evangelicals.

Why would they distinguish between southern and coastal evangelicals?

Because they’re very different…


A Presbyterian in West Hollywood is typically going to have diametrically different views to a Baptist in Alabama.

[Deleted User 1511]

Very true. Well, not wrong to study it, but to write about that culture as though you are an expert on it is wrong.

If you’re an outsider writing about another culture, you will not understand all of the intricacies of that culture, nor be able to accurately grasp what motivates them.

You can make very educated guesses…but that’s the extent of it. The only experts on any specific culture are the members of that culture, not armchair anthropologists.

You can also be inside a group and blind to what the leadership is doing, the motivations and the repercussions. Just being a member of a group does not mean someone has the background to examine context and history. It just means you know the daily experience.

People who study religion, culture or social groups professionally are not doing so from an "armchair" nor are the "guessing." They have the training and skills to collect data, interview subjects and anaylize information. You may not agree with the conclusions they draw, but that does not mean they are inaccurate.

Armchair anthropologist is an actual term.

Look it up.

I did! It is a term used to describe 19th century anthropologists who used writings to study rather than collecting data, interviewing subjects, and analyzing that data that is done when studying culture or social groups today (as Monarch Mom suggested).

I can't find anything that suggests that an Anthropologist has to actually be a member of a group or culture in order to study it because that would be kind of silly.

[Slimshandy]

You can also be inside a group and blind to what the leadership is doing, the motivations and the repercussions. Just being a member of a group does not mean someone has the background to examine context and history. It just means you know the daily experience.

People who study religion, culture or social groups professionally are not doing so from an "armchair" nor are the "guessing." They have the training and skills to collect data, interview subjects and anaylize information. You may not agree with the conclusions they draw, but that does not mean they are inaccurate.

Armchair anthropologist is an actual term.

Look it up.

I did! It is a term used to describe 19th century anthropologists who used writings to study rather than collecting data, interviewing subjects, and analyzing that data that is done when studying culture or social groups today (as Monarch Mom suggested).

I can't find anything that suggests that an Anthropologist has to actually be a member of a group or culture in order to study it because that would be kind of silly.

I never said they should have to be a member to study it…

[Deleted User 1511]

Armchair anthropologist is an actual term.

Look it up.

I did! It is a term used to describe 19th century anthropologists who used writings to study rather than collecting data, interviewing subjects, and analyzing that data that is done when studying culture or social groups today (as Monarch Mom suggested).

I can't find anything that suggests that an Anthropologist has to actually be a member of a group or culture in order to study it because that would be kind of silly.

I never said they should have to be a member to study it…

Can be free to study but not become experts

But as far as the article posted, can we safely assume that they are members, have studied it, and can be defined as experts. Like I said, easy to google their bona fides, lol.