Married women like alpha males, single women hate alpha males

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LiveWhatULove wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 9:16 am I do not understand what an alpha male is any more.
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Bobcobbagob wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 1:52 pm Here’s a good article from Harvard Business Review that goes over the attributes of an Alpha Male as it is more applicable to our modern day society as opposed to Stone Age definitions…


https://hbr.org/2004/05/coaching-the-alpha-male
"The alphas we’ve worked with think very fast, and this rapid processing can prevent them from listening to others—especially those who don’t communicate in alphaspeak. Their impatience can cause them to miss subtle but important details. Alphas, moreover, have opinions about everything, and they rarely admit that those opinions might be wrong or incomplete. Early in life, alphas realize that they are smarter than most people, smarter perhaps than even their parents and teachers; as adults they believe that their insights are unique and so put complete faith in their instincts.

Because their intuitions are so often proven right, alphas feel justified in focusing on the flaws in other people’s ideas or arguments. As a result, coworkers get intimidated, which makes learning from alphas difficult. The more pressure an alpha feels to perform, the more he tends to shift his leadership style from constructive and challenging to intimidating or even abusive. Organizations become dysfunctional when people avoid dealing with a difficult alpha and instead work around him or simply pay him lip service.

Unemotional and analytical in their cognitive style, alphas are eager to learn about business, technology, and “things” but have little or no natural curiosity about people or feelings. They rely on exhaustive data to reach business conclusions but often make snap judgments about other people, which they hold on to tenaciously. Because they believe that paying attention to feelings, even their own, detracts from getting the job done, they’re surprisingly oblivious to the effect they have on others. They’re judgmental of colleagues who can’t control emotions yet often fail to notice how they vent their own anger and frustration. Or they dismiss their own outbursts, arguing that the same rules shouldn’t apply to the top dog."

Why would anyone want to be in a partnership with someone like that?
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I hate the terms alpha males, beta, whatever. We’re in the ape family but we’re not chimps or gorillas. People are people and sometimes things just work or they don’t
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WellPreserved wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:57 am
Bobcobbagob wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 1:52 pm Here’s a good article from Harvard Business Review that goes over the attributes of an Alpha Male as it is more applicable to our modern day society as opposed to Stone Age definitions…


https://hbr.org/2004/05/coaching-the-alpha-male
"The alphas we’ve worked with think very fast, and this rapid processing can prevent them from listening to others—especially those who don’t communicate in alphaspeak. Their impatience can cause them to miss subtle but important details. Alphas, moreover, have opinions about everything, and they rarely admit that those opinions might be wrong or incomplete. Early in life, alphas realize that they are smarter than most people, smarter perhaps than even their parents and teachers; as adults they believe that their insights are unique and so put complete faith in their instincts.

Because their intuitions are so often proven right, alphas feel justified in focusing on the flaws in other people’s ideas or arguments. As a result, coworkers get intimidated, which makes learning from alphas difficult. The more pressure an alpha feels to perform, the more he tends to shift his leadership style from constructive and challenging to intimidating or even abusive. Organizations become dysfunctional when people avoid dealing with a difficult alpha and instead work around him or simply pay him lip service.

Unemotional and analytical in their cognitive style, alphas are eager to learn about business, technology, and “things” but have little or no natural curiosity about people or feelings. They rely on exhaustive data to reach business conclusions but often make snap judgments about other people, which they hold on to tenaciously. Because they believe that paying attention to feelings, even their own, detracts from getting the job done, they’re surprisingly oblivious to the effect they have on others. They’re judgmental of colleagues who can’t control emotions yet often fail to notice how they vent their own anger and frustration. Or they dismiss their own outbursts, arguing that the same rules shouldn’t apply to the top dog."

Why would anyone want to be in a partnership with someone like that?
You don't.

They also left out that these Alpha males also take credit for anything and everything even if it wasn't their idea or their work that actually brought it into fruition. I think another term for them could be high achieving narcissist. They also dislike having it pointed out that the terms "darling" "sweetie" or "honey" are infantalizing and are not to be used when addressing or talking about female colleagues.
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To me an alpha male is someone who is going to take care of his family. Go the extra mile at home and work. Be the leader and defender. A beta male to me is someone to does the bare minimum and wants to be rewarded or praised. Doesn’t see that you need to work to get ahead.
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WellPreserved wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:57 am
Bobcobbagob wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 1:52 pm Here’s a good article from Harvard Business Review that goes over the attributes of an Alpha Male as it is more applicable to our modern day society as opposed to Stone Age definitions…


https://hbr.org/2004/05/coaching-the-alpha-male
"The alphas we’ve worked with think very fast, and this rapid processing can prevent them from listening to others—especially those who don’t communicate in alphaspeak. Their impatience can cause them to miss subtle but important details. Alphas, moreover, have opinions about everything, and they rarely admit that those opinions might be wrong or incomplete. Early in life, alphas realize that they are smarter than most people, smarter perhaps than even their parents and teachers; as adults they believe that their insights are unique and so put complete faith in their instincts.

Because their intuitions are so often proven right, alphas feel justified in focusing on the flaws in other people’s ideas or arguments. As a result, coworkers get intimidated, which makes learning from alphas difficult. The more pressure an alpha feels to perform, the more he tends to shift his leadership style from constructive and challenging to intimidating or even abusive. Organizations become dysfunctional when people avoid dealing with a difficult alpha and instead work around him or simply pay him lip service.

Unemotional and analytical in their cognitive style, alphas are eager to learn about business, technology, and “things” but have little or no natural curiosity about people or feelings. They rely on exhaustive data to reach business conclusions but often make snap judgments about other people, which they hold on to tenaciously. Because they believe that paying attention to feelings, even their own, detracts from getting the job done, they’re surprisingly oblivious to the effect they have on others. They’re judgmental of colleagues who can’t control emotions yet often fail to notice how they vent their own anger and frustration. Or they dismiss their own outbursts, arguing that the same rules shouldn’t apply to the top dog."

Why would anyone want to be in a partnership with someone like that?
Is a single word? Success.


They’re highly motivated, successful, intelligent, they can make things happen that other people can’t, they do not get walked over and they achieve the goals they set for themselves… when raising children with them, they pass these qualities onto the children.


If you’re married to an alpha and are an equal dominant force, your roles get carved out, boundaries are set in regards to responsibility, and life is extremely nice…


If you’re the subservient type, you might end up feeling like you get walked over… but that type is better suited for a beta male anyways.

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Aletheia wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:48 am
LiveWhatULove wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 9:16 am I do not understand what an alpha male is any more.
Sacha Darke (2018). Conviviality and Survival: Co-Producing Brazilian Prison Order. Springer. p. 199. ISBN 9783319922102

Crewe, Ben, 'The Prisoner Hierarchy', The Prisoner Society: Power, Adaptation and Social Life in an English Prison, Clarendon Studies in Criminology (Oxford, 2009; online edn, Oxford Academic, 22 Mar. 2012), https://doi.org/10.1093/acprof:oso/9780 ... 5.003.0006,
If you are going to work in Educational Research, you NEED to be an alpha.

Otherwise, the peer reviews and grant funding competitiveness is going to sink you…
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Bobcobbagob wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:42 am
Aletheia wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:48 am
LiveWhatULove wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 9:16 am I do not understand what an alpha male is any more.
Sacha Darke (2018). Conviviality and Survival: Co-Producing Brazilian Prison Order. Springer. p. 199. ISBN 9783319922102

Crewe, Ben, 'The Prisoner Hierarchy', The Prisoner Society: Power, Adaptation and Social Life in an English Prison, Clarendon Studies in Criminology (Oxford, 2009; online edn, Oxford Academic, 22 Mar. 2012), https://doi.org/10.1093/acprof:oso/9780 ... 5.003.0006,
If you are going to work in Educational Research, you NEED to be an alpha.

Otherwise, the peer reviews and grant funding competitiveness is going to sink you…
One issue with Alphas is they have an inability to see the world through different lenses. Please, for the love of God tell me that when you say educational research you aren't meaning within the field of education and educational pedagogy. Though that would explain so much.
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Aletheia wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:48 am
LiveWhatULove wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 9:16 am I do not understand what an alpha male is any more.
Sacha Darke (2018). Conviviality and Survival: Co-Producing Brazilian Prison Order. Springer. p. 199. ISBN 9783319922102

Crewe, Ben, 'The Prisoner Hierarchy', The Prisoner Society: Power, Adaptation and Social Life in an English Prison, Clarendon Studies in Criminology (Oxford, 2009; online edn, Oxford Academic, 22 Mar. 2012), https://doi.org/10.1093/acprof:oso/9780 ... 5.003.0006,
LOL, well, most women I know are not dating or married to prisoners.
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