Trashy Republicans have taken over the party

[Lemons]

You’re gonna hear “as a Black woman” as long as you need and it would be nice if white liberal lawmakers can listen instead of undermining our point with the race card (AOC being Puerto Rican in this case) because our point makes their party look bad.

Yes, the term “woke” it did lose meaning because white liberals culturally appropriated the term instead of taking the time to understand what the movement means and that won’t happen over night. I can’t explain decades of a movement in one conversation but I’ll start trying to point out examples so explain it over time.

In this particular case, AOC being Puerto Rican doesn’t matter or change the fact that Democrats have a serious problem with pandering. It doesn’t matter if they found a minority thirsty enough to do it for them. I do not consider AOC a “sell out” (that is a very harsh term) but that is where the logic comes from.


And side note: No, you’re far from ignorant. We disagree but you’re very intelligent and I have learned a lot from you and Lex as far as northern culture. I actually enjoyed my last trip to NY because of my conversations with ya’ll.

I read about the origins of “stay woke” that started with random killings of Black men, Russell Ferguson, Zimmerman getting away with killing Trayvon, etc. Stay alert for subtle and blatant racism.

What I don’t understand is how liberals came into play. Can you explain what happened here? How they fucked it up?

All I know is the conservatives have taken the expression and applied it to any thing they are against. And it’s not even logical .

And thanks, it’s like we have three different countries. We all help explaining our little piece of the countries.

I am sure everyone has different opinions as far as what it means and it’s hard to explain..but it’s basically when you’re reached a level of enlightenment as far as racism/black social issues. It’s new term but its not a new concept or movement that recently started and it’s the same complaints people have had with liberals since the Civil Rights Movement. It’s white liberal extremists mainly and they exploit minorities/identity politics for political gain and they don’t have boundaries.

A few examples

- Far left extremists who claimed to protect Black and Brown people (who did not ask or need them) but it was just an excuse for violence towards Trump supporters over politics.

- The overzealous pandering and identity politics facilitates a “ the boy who cried wolf” environment which is also extremely counterproductive.

- Black community asked for police reform but the goal post was moved so we got the Dixie Chicks changing their name, people fighting over pancake syrup and harassing people with cancel culture.


And when you (general) bring this to their attention, they either nitpick what you’re saying to deny it’s a problem or start blaming conservatives instead of genuinely trying to understand.

That’s why a lot of times minorities (not just Black) just tell white peoples to stay out of stuff because a it’s draining and nothing gets accomplished because the chaos takes over everything.

I’m not saying that’s right and some of these kids go too far with the safe spaces but that is how they have been F***ing up for decades.

YW! Yes! I was saying that the other day. I went to NY, MS and Hawaii over the course of 4 months and it was like I was in different countries. It does help when we all talk about our little corners but I have personally gained a lot from it.

Ok, thanks. Yeah, they aren’t doing anybody any favors with their ridiculous cancel cultures and foolishness about them being “triggered” by every F***ing thing.

Now we have a huge problem. DeSantis taking down MLK pictures from public schools because ? The term Woke has been misused and abused and it’s not going away.

There’s a Black owned sweatshirt, tshirt type store in Martha’s Vineyard that makes the coolest sweats out of recycled clothing and pictures of people Iike JFK and Tupac. Their motto is “Stay Wavy”. A chill optimistic place.

[Valentina327]

You’re gonna hear “as a Black woman” as long as you need and it would be nice if white liberal lawmakers can listen instead of undermining our point with the race card (AOC being Puerto Rican in this case) because our point makes their party look bad.

Yes, the term “woke” it did lose meaning because white liberals culturally appropriated the term instead of taking the time to understand what the movement means and that won’t happen over night. I can’t explain decades of a movement in one conversation but I’ll start trying to point out examples so explain it over time.

In this particular case, AOC being Puerto Rican doesn’t matter or change the fact that Democrats have a serious problem with pandering. It doesn’t matter if they found a minority thirsty enough to do it for them. I do not consider AOC a “sell out” (that is a very harsh term) but that is where the logic comes from.


And side note: No, you’re far from ignorant. We disagree but you’re very intelligent and I have learned a lot from you and Lex as far as northern culture. I actually enjoyed my last trip to NY because of my conversations with ya’ll.

I read about the origins of “stay woke” that started with random killings of Black men, Russell Ferguson, Zimmerman getting away with killing Trayvon, etc. Stay alert for subtle and blatant racism.

What I don’t understand is how liberals came into play. Can you explain what happened here? How they fucked it up?

All I know is the conservatives have taken the expression and applied it to any thing they are against. And it’s not even logical .

And thanks, it’s like we have three different countries. We all help explaining our little piece of the countries.

I am sure everyone has different opinions as far as what it means and it’s hard to explain..but it’s basically when you’re reached a level of enlightenment as far as racism/black social issues. It’s new term but its not a new concept or movement that recently started and it’s the same complaints people have had with liberals since the Civil Rights Movement. It’s white liberal extremists mainly and they exploit minorities/identity politics for political gain and they don’t have boundaries.

A few examples

- Far left extremists who claimed to protect Black and Brown people (who did not ask or need them) but it was just an excuse for violence towards Trump supporters over politics.

- The overzealous pandering and identity politics facilitates a “ the boy who cried wolf” environment which is also extremely counterproductive.

- Black community asked for police reform but the goal post was moved so we got the Dixie Chicks changing their name, people fighting over pancake syrup and harassing people with cancel culture.


And when you (general) bring this to their attention, they either nitpick what you’re saying to deny it’s a problem or start blaming conservatives instead of genuinely trying to understand.

That’s why a lot of times minorities (not just Black) just tell white peoples to stay out of stuff because a it’s draining and nothing gets accomplished because the chaos takes over everything.

I’m not saying that’s right and some of these kids go too far with the safe spaces but that is how they have been F***ing up for decades.

YW! Yes! I was saying that the other day. I went to NY, MS and Hawaii over the course of 4 months and it was like I was in different countries. It does help when we all talk about our little corners but I have personally gained a lot from it.

That was a great explanation.

[SouthernIslander]

I read about the origins of “stay woke” that started with random killings of Black men, Russell Ferguson, Zimmerman getting away with killing Trayvon, etc. Stay alert for subtle and blatant racism.

What I don’t understand is how liberals came into play. Can you explain what happened here? How they fucked it up?

All I know is the conservatives have taken the expression and applied it to any thing they are against. And it’s not even logical .

And thanks, it’s like we have three different countries. We all help explaining our little piece of the countries.

I am sure everyone has different opinions as far as what it means and it’s hard to explain..but it’s basically when you’re reached a level of enlightenment as far as racism/black social issues. It’s new term but its not a new concept or movement that recently started and it’s the same complaints people have had with liberals since the Civil Rights Movement. It’s white liberal extremists mainly and they exploit minorities/identity politics for political gain and they don’t have boundaries.

A few examples

- Far left extremists who claimed to protect Black and Brown people (who did not ask or need them) but it was just an excuse for violence towards Trump supporters over politics.

- The overzealous pandering and identity politics facilitates a “ the boy who cried wolf” environment which is also extremely counterproductive.

- Black community asked for police reform but the goal post was moved so we got the Dixie Chicks changing their name, people fighting over pancake syrup and harassing people with cancel culture.


And when you (general) bring this to their attention, they either nitpick what you’re saying to deny it’s a problem or start blaming conservatives instead of genuinely trying to understand.

That’s why a lot of times minorities (not just Black) just tell white peoples to stay out of stuff because a it’s draining and nothing gets accomplished because the chaos takes over everything.

I’m not saying that’s right and some of these kids go too far with the safe spaces but that is how they have been F***ing up for decades.

YW! Yes! I was saying that the other day. I went to NY, MS and Hawaii over the course of 4 months and it was like I was in different countries. It does help when we all talk about our little corners but I have personally gained a lot from it.

That was a great explanation.

Thanks, I am trying to explain in a way that doesn’t come off racist because it’s not all white people but we are gonna have to have conversations like this without fighting to get anywhere.

[SouthernIslander]

I read about the origins of “stay woke” that started with random killings of Black men, Russell Ferguson, Zimmerman getting away with killing Trayvon, etc. Stay alert for subtle and blatant racism.

What I don’t understand is how liberals came into play. Can you explain what happened here? How they fucked it up?

All I know is the conservatives have taken the expression and applied it to any thing they are against. And it’s not even logical .

And thanks, it’s like we have three different countries. We all help explaining our little piece of the countries.

I am sure everyone has different opinions as far as what it means and it’s hard to explain..but it’s basically when you’re reached a level of enlightenment as far as racism/black social issues. It’s new term but its not a new concept or movement that recently started and it’s the same complaints people have had with liberals since the Civil Rights Movement. It’s white liberal extremists mainly and they exploit minorities/identity politics for political gain and they don’t have boundaries.

A few examples

- Far left extremists who claimed to protect Black and Brown people (who did not ask or need them) but it was just an excuse for violence towards Trump supporters over politics.

- The overzealous pandering and identity politics facilitates a “ the boy who cried wolf” environment which is also extremely counterproductive.

- Black community asked for police reform but the goal post was moved so we got the Dixie Chicks changing their name, people fighting over pancake syrup and harassing people with cancel culture.


And when you (general) bring this to their attention, they either nitpick what you’re saying to deny it’s a problem or start blaming conservatives instead of genuinely trying to understand.

That’s why a lot of times minorities (not just Black) just tell white peoples to stay out of stuff because a it’s draining and nothing gets accomplished because the chaos takes over everything.

I’m not saying that’s right and some of these kids go too far with the safe spaces but that is how they have been F***ing up for decades.

YW! Yes! I was saying that the other day. I went to NY, MS and Hawaii over the course of 4 months and it was like I was in different countries. It does help when we all talk about our little corners but I have personally gained a lot from it.

Ok, thanks. Yeah, they aren’t doing anybody any favors with their ridiculous cancel cultures and foolishness about them being “triggered” by every F***ing thing.

I removed the points of deflection because you’re doing it now and don’t realize it. Lol!!

What do you think liberals should do to fix this problem since this is also a major component of systemic racism? Why hasn’t Democrat’s done anything to address it?

[cgd5112]

I agree it can. However, $175k gross in it of itself in relation to the context of AOC's comment is also true. In NY and in DC, that salary is working class/middle class , not the rich class; much less wealth class.

$175K gross is not wealth.

Through every stretch of the imagination, except maybe through the eyes of the privileged… it is wealth.

It could create wealth. If a family lives frugally, buys used cars, lives in a lower priced home they can have money left over to invest. Keep it up and wealth will follow.

But too many people push their spending to the extreme. Two new leased BMWs every two years, international vacations three time a year, a huge house where they can barely afford the huge mortgage they took out. Anything necessary to appear like they have it all I’ve seen people live like this and then bitch about how they’re going to pay for college.

[SallyMae]

Sure, everyone should have it… it just doesn’t really work out in reality for everyone to be able to afford it.

We should be working hard to change this. It's not unfeasible to make it so that everyone can afford a basic good life. Every person who we allow to grow up hungry, uneducated and bored becomes a risk factor.

People also need to put forth the effort to create the circumstances that allow them to live a life that is fulfilling on their terms. There are many individuals that don't feel they need to make an effort, that they should just be afforded a good life simply existing. That's not right, when others have to work toward that good life. Those taking steps toward living their fulfilling life shouldn't have to carry that dead weight on their backs. We get out of life what we put into it.

Valentina, thanks for speaking with me. I don't disagree with your sentiment but I would like to discuss the means.

People also need to put forth the effort to create the circumstances that allow them to live a life that is fulfilling on their terms.

Yes, but we can get people to put in more effort by giving them more to start with. People will always have to do more and risk more to get more fulfillment out of life, of course. But having people live in desperation does not make this happen more.

It works better if everyone has a basic, solid bottom to start from, which includes a full education, a home and food, and chances to grow. Does anyone really deserve less than that? Especially considering that most people get the circumstances of their parents as their starting line, which doesn't reflect their own effort at all. Who is their hunger helping?



There are many individuals that don't feel they need to make an effort, that they should just be afforded a good life simply existing.

There are very few people like this. Most people who get assistance work, and most don't remain on it very long. Most people who don't work, can't, because of mental issues or health issues or disabilities, local declines, etc. There are very few who, given a real education and a real chance to do something they are interested in, would rather sit home.

Secondly, poverty does not force people to be more industrious, it does the opposite. It denies people who want to be industrious by providing few good opportunities. If what you want is people working, social support is how you get it.

Lastly, there are always just a few seemingly useless hangers-on, but they don't cost much and they are available if you need to move a couch.



That's not right, when others have to work toward that good life.

It is right to provide people the tools they need to work toward that good life. People can grow and create better circumstances for a life that is more fulfilling on their terms from there.


Those taking steps toward living their fulfilling life shouldn't have to carry that dead weight on their backs.

First of all, it's a pretty light weight. Less than 15% of our spending goes to helping those in poverty and our public education budgets are thin. We could easily spend more which is being wasted elsewhere on getting people in the game, without affecting your bottom line at all. And what could be a better investment than that?

Secondly, you are going to carry that dead weight no matter what. You are going to carry it in higher crime and more prisons and more social services and more addiction and more people living in the streets. You are going to pay about six times more for the social ills that result than you would have paid providing people with education, housing and opportunity instead. If what you want is less weight on your back, you can get better results for bargain basement prices by helping people up front.

Thirdly, helping people is the moral thing to do. He ain't heavy, he's my brother.


So, I don't disagree with your outcomes, but creating an impoverished class has never maximized human potential. Instead it squanders it. We can build a harder-working and more compassionate society by helping everyone contribute.

Thanks again Valentina!

[Lemons]

I am sure everyone has different opinions as far as what it means and it’s hard to explain..but it’s basically when you’re reached a level of enlightenment as far as racism/black social issues. It’s new term but its not a new concept or movement that recently started and it’s the same complaints people have had with liberals since the Civil Rights Movement. It’s white liberal extremists mainly and they exploit minorities/identity politics for political gain and they don’t have boundaries.

A few examples

- Far left extremists who claimed to protect Black and Brown people (who did not ask or need them) but it was just an excuse for violence towards Trump supporters over politics.

- The overzealous pandering and identity politics facilitates a “ the boy who cried wolf” environment which is also extremely counterproductive.

- Black community asked for police reform but the goal post was moved so we got the Dixie Chicks changing their name, people fighting over pancake syrup and harassing people with cancel culture.


And when you (general) bring this to their attention, they either nitpick what you’re saying to deny it’s a problem or start blaming conservatives instead of genuinely trying to understand.

That’s why a lot of times minorities (not just Black) just tell white peoples to stay out of stuff because a it’s draining and nothing gets accomplished because the chaos takes over everything.

I’m not saying that’s right and some of these kids go too far with the safe spaces but that is how they have been F***ing up for decades.

YW! Yes! I was saying that the other day. I went to NY, MS and Hawaii over the course of 4 months and it was like I was in different countries. It does help when we all talk about our little corners but I have personally gained a lot from it.

Ok, thanks. Yeah, they aren’t doing anybody any favors with their ridiculous cancel cultures and foolishness about them being “triggered” by every F***ing thing.

I removed the points of deflection because you’re doing it now and don’t realize it. Lol!!

What do you think liberals should do to fix this problem since this is also a major component of systemic racism? Why hasn’t Democrat’s done anything to address it?

Wait, I thought they weren’t supposed to interfere. Black people took care of the civil rights issues. They got their right to vote, they got rid of segregation and a lot of other things sacrificing a lot.

I’m not good with abstract thinking. But if things keep going this way it’s going to get worse. This Supreme Court is dismantling freedoms we have taken for granted. They are getting rid of affirmative action even though the playing fields aren’t equal yet. Schools are ripping MLK posters off the walls. Southern and Midwest states won’t be teaching American history accurately. They won’t show the students graphics and interviews and news video to show what a war zone it was.

It would take new laws that will never happen. I don’t know.

[SouthernIslander]

Ok, thanks. Yeah, they aren’t doing anybody any favors with their ridiculous cancel cultures and foolishness about them being “triggered” by every F***ing thing.

I removed the points of deflection because you’re doing it now and don’t realize it. Lol!!

What do you think liberals should do to fix this problem since this is also a major component of systemic racism? Why hasn’t Democrat’s done anything to address it?

Wait, I thought they weren’t supposed to interfere. Black people took care of the civil rights issues. They got their right to vote, they got rid of segregation and a lot of other things sacrificing a lot.

I’m not good with abstract thinking. But if things keep going this way it’s going to get worse. This Supreme Court is dismantling freedoms we have taken for granted. They are getting rid of affirmative action even though the playing fields aren’t equal yet. Schools are ripping MLK posters off the walls. Southern and Midwest states won’t be teaching American history accurately. They won’t show the students graphics and interviews and news video to show what a war zone it was.

It would take new laws that will never happen. I don’t know.

No, they shouldn’t overstep boundaries. Interfere sounds to close to discouraging them from being involved at all and that’s not what I’m trying to say.

I am basically asking you what do you think Democrats can do to address the behavior I explained above and why haven’t they done it yet?

[Lemons]

I removed the points of deflection because you’re doing it now and don’t realize it. Lol!!

What do you think liberals should do to fix this problem since this is also a major component of systemic racism? Why hasn’t Democrat’s done anything to address it?

Wait, I thought they weren’t supposed to interfere. Black people took care of the civil rights issues. They got their right to vote, they got rid of segregation and a lot of other things sacrificing a lot.

I’m not good with abstract thinking. But if things keep going this way it’s going to get worse. This Supreme Court is dismantling freedoms we have taken for granted. They are getting rid of affirmative action even though the playing fields aren’t equal yet. Schools are ripping MLK posters off the walls. Southern and Midwest states won’t be teaching American history accurately. They won’t show the students graphics and interviews and news video to show what a war zone it was.

It would take new laws that will never happen. I don’t know.

No, they shouldn’t overstep boundaries. Interfere sounds to close to discouraging them from being involved at all and that’s not what I’m trying to say.

I am basically asking you what do you think Democrats can do to address the behavior I explained above and why haven’t they done it yet?

I gotta go Valentine shopping. I don’t know the answer! They aren’t very powerful right now. You tell me what you think needs to be done. You are better informed than me.

[Valentina327]

We should be working hard to change this. It's not unfeasible to make it so that everyone can afford a basic good life. Every person who we allow to grow up hungry, uneducated and bored becomes a risk factor.

People also need to put forth the effort to create the circumstances that allow them to live a life that is fulfilling on their terms. There are many individuals that don't feel they need to make an effort, that they should just be afforded a good life simply existing. That's not right, when others have to work toward that good life. Those taking steps toward living their fulfilling life shouldn't have to carry that dead weight on their backs. We get out of life what we put into it.

Valentina, thanks for speaking with me. I don't disagree with your sentiment but I would like to discuss the means.

People also need to put forth the effort to create the circumstances that allow them to live a life that is fulfilling on their terms.

Yes, but we can get people to put in more effort by giving them more to start with. People will always have to do more and risk more to get more fulfillment out of life, of course. But having people live in desperation does not make this happen more.

It works better if everyone has a basic, solid bottom to start from, which includes a full education, a home and food, and chances to grow. Does anyone really deserve less than that? Especially considering that most people get the circumstances of their parents as their starting line, which doesn't reflect their own effort at all. Who is their hunger helping?



There are many individuals that don't feel they need to make an effort, that they should just be afforded a good life simply existing.

There are very few people like this. Most people who get assistance work, and most don't remain on it very long. Most people who don't work, can't, because of mental issues or health issues or disabilities, local declines, etc. There are very few who, given a real education and a real chance to do something they are interested in, would rather sit home.

Secondly, poverty does not force people to be more industrious, it does the opposite. It denies people who want to be industrious by providing few good opportunities. If what you want is people working, social support is how you get it.

Lastly, there are always just a few seemingly useless hangers-on, but they don't cost much and they are available if you need to move a couch.



That's not right, when others have to work toward that good life.

It is right to provide people the tools they need to work toward that good life. People can grow and create better circumstances for a life that is more fulfilling on their terms from there.


Those taking steps toward living their fulfilling life shouldn't have to carry that dead weight on their backs.

First of all, it's a pretty light weight. Less than 15% of our spending goes to helping those in poverty and our public education budgets are thin. We could easily spend more which is being wasted elsewhere on getting people in the game, without affecting your bottom line at all. And what could be a better investment than that?

Secondly, you are going to carry that dead weight no matter what. You are going to carry it in higher crime and more prisons and more social services and more addiction and more people living in the streets. You are going to pay about six times more for the social ills that result than you would have paid providing people with education, housing and opportunity instead. If what you want is less weight on your back, you can get better results for bargain basement prices by helping people up front.

Thirdly, helping people is the moral thing to do. He ain't heavy, he's my brother.


So, I don't disagree with your outcomes, but creating an impoverished class has never maximized human potential. Instead it squanders it. We can build a harder-working and more compassionate society by helping everyone contribute.

Thanks again Valentina!

I don't disagree with you at all Sally. What I think needs to happen is that people need to actually SEE that there's better that they can achieve. From what I've seen, many people simply don't realize that there IS better and there IS another side.

People only know what they see daily, and they resign themselves to that being it. I think there's a lot of hopelessness out there. I also think our government has some screwed up financial priorities with what they spend our money on. There has to be more programs that can be funded to pull people up.

I've pondered this for years, what can be done or created to help this. I've been thinking about programs for kids, financial literacy, membership, etc. Show them more when they're young.

Thank you for your reply.