First Baptist Church members must now sign sexuality oath opposing LGBTQ freedoms

[Baconqueen13]

Your "point" does not negate or cancel out the statement that Lemons made

That is not what the first amendment does…

Churches don’t have to let the media in or tell them anything about what goes on behind closed doors.

But the Media still has freedom of the press (still part of the first amendment) and can still report on what they discover......even if the churches don't like it. .......once again Bob, you are WRONG.

They can report on what they discover… but churches don’t have to let them in or tell them anything, which was my point.


I do like how you’ve capitalized “wrong” there though. Super impactful.

[Deleted User 1990]

How so?

They say “I guarantee this is true”.

Example?

They say “the only way to guarantee a spot in heaven is through this church.”



It’s quite easy to guarantee something that can only be validated after death.

[Momto2boys973]

That’s what I was thinking. It’s their Church, their business. People who don’t agree can find a Chirch more agreeable to their beliefs.

Ok..:and? Religious entities have long made their own rules for their congregants…and the baptists have long been k own to be extreme…

[Momto2boys973]

Still their business. If they believe it’s right, then it’s their problem.

Well yes, but most don't make their congregants sign a contract stating they will abide by the "rules"
It was always more of a "take it or leave it but you know where the door is" unspoken arrangement.

Forcing congregants to "Sign a contract" well besides being a sure sign of blasphemy I'm pretty sure it's bordering on legal/political coercion and may very well open the church up to lawsuits.

Plenty of churches do these kinds of contracts.

Plenty of churches also are full of hypocrites that contradict the very Bible they profess to follow.....I'm just saying that if a church requires it, it's a sure sign that the church in question is full of false prophets and pharisees. God doesn't require contracts, any church that does goes against what God commanded.

[Baconqueen13]

And no one is debating that.

Still their business. If they believe it’s right, then it’s their problem.

Plenty of churches do these kinds of contracts.

Plenty of churches also are full of hypocrites that contradict the very Bible they profess to follow.....I'm just saying that if a church requires it, it's a sure sign that the church in question is full of false prophets and pharisees. God doesn't require contracts, any church that does goes against what God commanded.

[Momto2boys973]

They use the right to vote to pass legislation based on what they belief is right or wrong. Much as you do, I do and everyone else does. Everyone has that same right.

The wonderful thing about the First Amendment is that no one is required or forced to be a member of that church’s congregation. Do I agree with what the pastor is doing, absolutely not, which is why I’d never support the church beyond acknowledging their rights.

It would be nice if they didn’t seem to think the rest of society should be forced to live like them though:

“First Baptist Church has a long history of opposing LGBTQ rights, including strenuous opposition of the city's Human Rights Ordinance. The HRO, which prohibited people from being fired or evicted simply because of their sexual identity, did eventually pass after several years. But after an early failed vote in August 2012, councilmembers who voted against it were honored at a First Baptist Church church service. The church also sent shuttlebuses full of church members to speak against the HRO at meetings.”

[Momto2boys973]

Well, I do follow all those. Although Judaism does allow for divorce. I don’t know when Christianity changed that one.

Plenty of churches also are full of hypocrites that contradict the very Bible they profess to follow.....I'm just saying that if a church requires it, it's a sure sign that the church in question is full of false prophets and pharisees. God doesn't require contracts, any church that does goes against what God commanded.

It’s only Mennonites and Quakers that take that verse literally.

Nobody is following Deuteronomy 22:21 either, so I think it’s safe to say that different churches interpret certain scripture as poetic rather than literally instructive.

No one seems to follow the whole "Love thy neighbor" scripture either or the "don't divorce" or "don't wear blended fabrics or eat shellfish", and especially not the "judge not" and it says to feed the hungry and clothe the poor, look after the sick, and that sure as SHIT isn't followed because "that's socialism" but again MOST churches are full of assholes and hypocrites so.....

[Baconqueen13]

However if they are using their position as a church to dictate how their congregates vote then that is a legal issue. We had a agriculture company here that got in quite a lot of legal trouble for trying to intimidate employees into voting a certain way in a previous election and threatening to fire them if they voted against "company policy" despite the company having no voter policy.

They use the right to vote to pass legislation based on what they belief is right or wrong. Much as you do, I do and everyone else does. Everyone has that same right.

The wonderful thing about the First Amendment is that no one is required or forced to be a member of that church’s congregation. Do I agree with what the pastor is doing, absolutely not, which is why I’d never support the church beyond acknowledging their rights.

It would be nice if they didn’t seem to think the rest of society should be forced to live like them though:

“First Baptist Church has a long history of opposing LGBTQ rights, including strenuous opposition of the city's Human Rights Ordinance. The HRO, which prohibited people from being fired or evicted simply because of their sexual identity, did eventually pass after several years. But after an early failed vote in August 2012, councilmembers who voted against it were honored at a First Baptist Church church service. The church also sent shuttlebuses full of church members to speak against the HRO at meetings.”

[Baconqueen13]

Was I speaking about YOU or even talking to YOU?

Well, I do follow all those. Although Judaism does allow for divorce. I don’t know when Christianity changed that one.

It’s only Mennonites and Quakers that take that verse literally.

Nobody is following Deuteronomy 22:21 either, so I think it’s safe to say that different churches interpret certain scripture as poetic rather than literally instructive.

No one seems to follow the whole "Love thy neighbor" scripture either or the "don't divorce" or "don't wear blended fabrics or eat shellfish", and especially not the "judge not" and it says to feed the hungry and clothe the poor, look after the sick, and that sure as SHIT isn't followed because "that's socialism" but again MOST churches are full of assholes and hypocrites so.....

[Francee89]

They use the right to vote to pass legislation based on what they belief is right or wrong. Much as you do, I do and everyone else does. Everyone has that same right.

The wonderful thing about the First Amendment is that no one is required or forced to be a member of that church’s congregation. Do I agree with what the pastor is doing, absolutely not, which is why I’d never support the church beyond acknowledging their rights.

It would be nice if they didn’t seem to think the rest of society should be forced to live like them though:

“First Baptist Church has a long history of opposing LGBTQ rights, including strenuous opposition of the city's Human Rights Ordinance. The HRO, which prohibited people from being fired or evicted simply because of their sexual identity, did eventually pass after several years. But after an early failed vote in August 2012, councilmembers who voted against it were honored at a First Baptist Church church service. The church also sent shuttlebuses full of church members to speak against the HRO at meetings.”

Of course they have that right. It would simply be nice if they recognized that much of the rest of society has no interest in living according to their religious ideals and didn’t try to impose them on them. There are lots of things I think are wrong, bad or gross that I’m not trying to make illegal for everyone else.