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Actually… it’s going the opposite way to what you’re saying.

Gun ownership in America has gone massively down… it used to be half of Americans owned guns, now it’s about a quarter - 30% , and we are becoming a more and more dangerous country by the day.


We are seeing more mass murderers, and less firearm ownership.


If we’re going to compare the statistics, the more gun ownership declines =|= the more often people are made into victims.

SallyMae wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 3:20 pm
BobCobbMagob wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:00 pm I’m saying that I think it’s pretty logical to think a petty thief would go for the easier target…


I do agree with the meme, I think empowering people before they become a victim is the best way to lessen the amount of victims there are. And that empowerment can come from being able to defend themselves, with whatever force may be necessary for the situation.
It's not working. Massively arming the population for personal defense is resulting in many, many more deaths.


This is just the mass shootings in November:

Nov. 1: In East St. Louis, Illinois, two people were killed and three were wounded when a fight broke out after an argument.

In Baltimore, three adults and a teenager were wounded in a nighttime shooting.

In Denver, one person was killed and five were wounded in a drive-by shooting.

Nov. 2: In Hattiesburg, Mississippi, two people were killed and three were wounded in a shooting downtown.

Nov. 4: In Chicago, four men were wounded in a shooting on the street in the city's Humboldt Park neighborhood.

In Orlando, a 23-year-old man shot and killed a four-year-old girl and three women.

In La Plata, Maryland, four people were shot dead in a house.

Nov. 5: In Gainesville, Florida, five people were shot and wounded outside a grocery store.

In Philadelphia, nine people were shot and wounded while they stood outside a bar in the city's Kensington neighborhood.

Nov. 6: In Buffalo, four people were wounded in a mass shooting inside what police called a "party venue."

In Jordan Township, Pennsylvania, three people were killed by the same gunman in two separate locations.

In Chicago, one person was killed and three were wounded in a shootout with a security guard outside a nightclub.

In a second Chicago shooting, five people were wounded at a birthday party on the city's Southwest Side.

In Tulare, California, five people were shot and wounded during an argument after a drag race. 

Nov. 7: In McAllen, Texas, a man shot and wounded four of his neighbors during a dispute over a palm tree.

Nov. 11: In Jersey City, New Jersey, four people were wounded in a shooting on the street.

Nov. 12: In Indio, California, one person was killed and three wounded in a shooting on the street.

In Fort Worth, Texas, four people were shot and wounded in an apartment complex.

Nov. 13: In Enfield, North Carolina, one adult was shot and killed, and five adults were wounded along with a teenager at an outdoor bonfire.

In Omaha, Nebraska, one person was shot dead, and seven others were wounded at an early morning gathering on the street.

In Philadelphia, four people were shot and wounded during an argument at a nightclub.

In Memphis, four people were shot and wounded outside a high school.

In Charlottesville, at the University of Virginia, a man shot and killed three students and wounded two others after a school bus trip off campus.

Nov. 16: In Phoenix, a man shot and killed his wife and three children and then killed himself.

Nov. 17: In Cabo Rojo, Puerto Rico, three Customs and Border Protection agents were shot, one fatally, along with a suspected drug smuggler.

Nov. 18: In Chesterfield County, Virginia, a woman and her three children were shot and killed in what police called a "domestic dispute."

Nov. 19: In Colorado Springs, a gunman with an AR-15 style rifle shot and killed five people and wounded 25 others inside Club Q, a gay bar and nightclub.

Nov. 20: In Philadelphia, Mississippi, one man was shot and killed, and six others were wounded during a dice game on a farm.

In Dallas, four people were wounded during an argument outside a pool hall.

Nov. 22: In Chesapeake, Virginia, a night manager at a Walmart killed seven people and wounded six others before killing himself inside the store.

Nov. 23: In Philadelphia, four high school students were shot outside their school just after early dismissal for Thanksgiving in a drive-by shooting.

n Temple Hills, Maryland, four teenagers and one adult were wounded in an unexplained shooting.

Nov. 24: In Houston, a man walked into a home while people were having Thanksgiving dinner, shot two people dead and wounded two others. 



And that's just through Thanksgiving. Arming people for defense does not make them safer. This is not lessening the amount of victims there are. It creates more.
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Quorra2.0 wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:12 am
BobCobbMagob wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 10:42 am
Quorra2.0 wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 10:18 am

The police they don’t fear?

The quote may not use the words but it does actually mention guns by the fact that he’s aiming a gun. Words are not the only form of communication.
Kids are a lot more helpless than adults, and sadly, have to remain more helpless than adults.

That’s one of the reasons severe child abuse is one of the most unforgivable crimes…

Perhaps the quote is not trying to speak for children, but to speak to adults.
That’s why we, as a society, need to remember it takes a village. Not only to raise a child but to advocate for children. Doctors, teachers, CPS workers, grandparents, neighbors, people in line at the store seeing a child being yanked, yelled at and slapped. MYOB is all fine and great but in the process of doing this it’s children who are suffering. Now yes, calling CPS because you don’t think your sil is feeding her child enough vegetables or because your ex lets them stay up late totally petty and a myob situation BUT hearing your neighbor beat their child…not a myob situation.

I feel this quote must be taken out of context somewhere. As someone in the military, he should be extremely aware that those willing to commit the most heinous acts are not deterred by a single person, even one armed. A woman of DV isn’t going to strike fear into her abuser on her own, but her neighbor, her daddy, her brothers , sisters, mother, uncle, aunts THATs a huge part of why most abusers start with isolation.
I've been known to not mind my own business with child abuse.
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BobCobbMagob wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:39 pm Does it not?

If you were a criminal waiting around a corner to steal a purse, you see two women, one to the left and one to the right…one of them is wearing a sidearm and the other is not, which woman would you chose to grab the purse from?

cgd5112 wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:33 pm In sexual assault cases, gait, posture, eye contact ( sweeping surroundings) usually does. In crimes of opportunity, no.
BobCobbMagob wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:24 pm

How do you think the criminal chooses his potential victim ? Do you think the potential victim’s ability to fight back factors into the criminal’s choice of target?
In that situation, the woman who has a visible firearm is a fool.
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Baconqueen13 wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:11 pm Stupid, illogical, and greatly misinformed, but I wouldn't expect much from a crayon eater.
Grow up.
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Carpy wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:21 pm
BobCobbMagob wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:39 pm Does it not?

If you were a criminal waiting around a corner to steal a purse, you see two women, one to the left and one to the right…one of them is wearing a sidearm and the other is not, which woman would you chose to grab the purse from?

cgd5112 wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:33 pm In sexual assault cases, gait, posture, eye contact ( sweeping surroundings) usually does. In crimes of opportunity, no.

In that situation, the woman who has a visible firearm is a fool.
Why would she automatically be a fool? What if she’s a plain clothed cop? What if she’s a detective? What if she works as a bodyguard?
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In Florida the SYG law doesn't protect victims of DV who fight back.
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BobCobbMagob wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 3:57 pm Actually… it’s going the opposite way to what you’re saying.

Gun ownership in America has gone massively down… it used to be half of Americans owned guns, now it’s about a quarter - 30% , and we are becoming a more and more dangerous country by the day.


We are seeing more mass murderers, and less firearm ownership.


If we’re going to compare the statistics, the more gun ownership declines =|= the more often people are made into victims.

SallyMae wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 3:20 pm
BobCobbMagob wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:00 pm I’m saying that I think it’s pretty logical to think a petty thief would go for the easier target…


I do agree with the meme, I think empowering people before they become a victim is the best way to lessen the amount of victims there are. And that empowerment can come from being able to defend themselves, with whatever force may be necessary for the situation.
It's not working. Massively arming the population for personal defense is resulting in many, many more deaths.


This is just the mass shootings in November:

Nov. 1: In East St. Louis, Illinois, two people were killed and three were wounded when a fight broke out after an argument.

In Baltimore, three adults and a teenager were wounded in a nighttime shooting.

In Denver, one person was killed and five were wounded in a drive-by shooting.

Nov. 2: In Hattiesburg, Mississippi, two people were killed and three were wounded in a shooting downtown.

Nov. 4: In Chicago, four men were wounded in a shooting on the street in the city's Humboldt Park neighborhood.

In Orlando, a 23-year-old man shot and killed a four-year-old girl and three women.

In La Plata, Maryland, four people were shot dead in a house.

Nov. 5: In Gainesville, Florida, five people were shot and wounded outside a grocery store.

In Philadelphia, nine people were shot and wounded while they stood outside a bar in the city's Kensington neighborhood.

Nov. 6: In Buffalo, four people were wounded in a mass shooting inside what police called a "party venue."

In Jordan Township, Pennsylvania, three people were killed by the same gunman in two separate locations.

In Chicago, one person was killed and three were wounded in a shootout with a security guard outside a nightclub.

In a second Chicago shooting, five people were wounded at a birthday party on the city's Southwest Side.

In Tulare, California, five people were shot and wounded during an argument after a drag race. 

Nov. 7: In McAllen, Texas, a man shot and wounded four of his neighbors during a dispute over a palm tree.

Nov. 11: In Jersey City, New Jersey, four people were wounded in a shooting on the street.

Nov. 12: In Indio, California, one person was killed and three wounded in a shooting on the street.

In Fort Worth, Texas, four people were shot and wounded in an apartment complex.

Nov. 13: In Enfield, North Carolina, one adult was shot and killed, and five adults were wounded along with a teenager at an outdoor bonfire.

In Omaha, Nebraska, one person was shot dead, and seven others were wounded at an early morning gathering on the street.

In Philadelphia, four people were shot and wounded during an argument at a nightclub.

In Memphis, four people were shot and wounded outside a high school.

In Charlottesville, at the University of Virginia, a man shot and killed three students and wounded two others after a school bus trip off campus.

Nov. 16: In Phoenix, a man shot and killed his wife and three children and then killed himself.

Nov. 17: In Cabo Rojo, Puerto Rico, three Customs and Border Protection agents were shot, one fatally, along with a suspected drug smuggler.

Nov. 18: In Chesterfield County, Virginia, a woman and her three children were shot and killed in what police called a "domestic dispute."

Nov. 19: In Colorado Springs, a gunman with an AR-15 style rifle shot and killed five people and wounded 25 others inside Club Q, a gay bar and nightclub.

Nov. 20: In Philadelphia, Mississippi, one man was shot and killed, and six others were wounded during a dice game on a farm.

In Dallas, four people were wounded during an argument outside a pool hall.

Nov. 22: In Chesapeake, Virginia, a night manager at a Walmart killed seven people and wounded six others before killing himself inside the store.

Nov. 23: In Philadelphia, four high school students were shot outside their school just after early dismissal for Thanksgiving in a drive-by shooting.

n Temple Hills, Maryland, four teenagers and one adult were wounded in an unexplained shooting.

Nov. 24: In Houston, a man walked into a home while people were having Thanksgiving dinner, shot two people dead and wounded two others. 



And that's just through Thanksgiving. Arming people for defense does not make them safer. This is not lessening the amount of victims there are. It creates more.
It's rising, especially with women and even more so with black women.
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BobCobbMagob wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:25 pm
Carpy wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:21 pm
BobCobbMagob wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:39 pm Does it not?

If you were a criminal waiting around a corner to steal a purse, you see two women, one to the left and one to the right…one of them is wearing a sidearm and the other is not, which woman would you chose to grab the purse from?


In that situation, the woman who has a visible firearm is a fool.
Why would she automatically be a fool? What if she’s a plain clothed cop? What if she’s a detective? What if she works as a bodyguard?
The person with an open gun will be the top target in a mass shooting. The element of surprise increase the chance of being disarmed. The armed person should always maintain the element of surprise.
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Carpy wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:33 pm
BobCobbMagob wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:25 pm
Carpy wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:21 pm

In that situation, the woman who has a visible firearm is a fool.
Why would she automatically be a fool? What if she’s a plain clothed cop? What if she’s a detective? What if she works as a bodyguard?
The person with an open gun will be the top target in a mass shooting. The element of surprise increase the chance of being disarmed. The armed person should always maintain the element of surprise.
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Carpy wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:33 pm
BobCobbMagob wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:25 pm
Carpy wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:21 pm

In that situation, the woman who has a visible firearm is a fool.
Why would she automatically be a fool? What if she’s a plain clothed cop? What if she’s a detective? What if she works as a bodyguard?
The person with an open gun will be the top target in a mass shooting. The element of surprise increase the chance of being disarmed. The armed person should always maintain the element of surprise.
We weren’t talking about a mass shooting, we were talking about a petty thief trying to steal a purse.
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