What you described is not coercion. Coercion is making a non-violent threat such as an employer threatening to fire you, a coach threatening to kick you off a team, a professor threatening to fail you, threat of revenge porn. Coercion also includes impairing someone so they cannot give consent - i.e, drugs/alcohol.Valentina327 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:30 pmAnyone can say anything, which comes under the heading of coercion. That doesn't mean you have to agree to it. This is called personal responsibility.WellPreserved wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:17 pm"Coercing someone is absolutely not rape. I don't know how you can keep insisting it is. Just because you're weak minded and allow yourself to be talked into things you really don't want to do, you're not a victim of rape. You're easily led and lack self confidence. The other person is a manipulative asshole.Valentina327 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:06 pm
I've taught them personal responsibility, to be a leader and not a follower, and to stand their ground if someone is trying to get you to do something you know you shouldn't do or don't want to do. So we're all good over here.
But manipulation is not rape. You've still made a conscious decision to go along with it, because you decided that the perceived benefit was worth the act. You don't get to whine about it afterwards."
Honestly, I would be concerned if my son or daughter were dating someone who was brought up believing that coercion is not rape.
How do you determine coercion? Where do you draw the line? If a guy says "oh, come" twice and the female says no, is that coercion? How many times can he ask? What is the magic number? What are the magic words? What's acceptable that's NOT coercion?
I'd be MUCH more concerned about dating someone who thought that you could say words to them and they'd feel justified in filing rape charges against you. That is absolutely frightening.
One out of four female undergraduates will be a victim of sexual assault and many of these assaults go unreported because many women have been raised that they were asking for it if they got drunk, wore revealing clothing, went to a guy's dorm room. Many men have been raised that if you get a "yes" by any means or at least don't get a "no", S*x is consensual or that a woman is giving consent just by the mere fact that she agrees to be alone with them.
New student orientation at most college campuses explain what constitutes rape and include coercion because many young men and women have not been taught that at home.
