Conservatives don’t hate “socialism “, they hate equality

[Maggie]

It’s not that conservatives don’t want equality but more you don’t get what I have just because.
I work very hard for what I have, if you want the same you need to put in the same effort, you aren’t entitled to mine.

[Lemons]

Right? My household worked hard to get to where we are. Years of schooling and time spent at work. Why should we have to give money to Jane Doe who got a useless degree and can’t work. Or Joe Blow who who gets fired brunisses don’t like him. Or neighbors who have more kids then they can actually afford? We have made sacrifices to get to where we are and we’re very comfortable now.

What you just wrote has absolutely nothing to do with socialism. In the United States if your neighbors had too many kids then we would provide food stamps and subsidized housing. Joe Blow would get unemployment insurance paid by his employer and Jan Doe might qualify for different types of assistance. All with tax dollars. So what do you think would change?

In a country like Norway Joe Blow would have contributed his previous income to his own unemployment insurance. Jane Doe could make a living working at a coffee shop in the Netherlands because the minimum wage is high enough to cover cost of living there.


George Lakey, an American sociologist wrote in an article;

From an economic point of view, the Nordic model focuses on economic security, efficiency, and productivity and believes they are connected. Lakey contrasts this to the U.S. economy model based on insecurity, high unemployment, and fear of poverty and hunger.

Lakey contests the misconception that high taxes and regulation in the Nordic countries stifle business and entrepreneurship. Productivity rates are considerably higher, even with a shorter workweek. And the rate of start-up companies in Norway and Denmark is considerably higher than the U.S. Researchers from the U.S. found that Nordic entrepreneurs are greater risk-takers because they don’t worry about education debt, retirement, and medical care, thanks to universal services.

Nordic businesses compete in the global economy, including importing, exporting, and outsourcing. But they are discouraged, through laws and social contracts, from cutting wages as part of their competitive strategy.

We have to get out of this mindset that we are the greatest country and that a failed real estate builder and a man who failed at every other business he tried can "make America great again"

You need to cite your source please.

George Lakey article was in the Institute for Policy Studies. https://ips-dc.org/

[Lemons]

It’s not that conservatives don’t want equality but more you don’t get what I have just because.
I work very hard for what I have, if you want the same you need to put in the same effort, you aren’t entitled to mine.

Common misconception. It's about everyone paying higher taxes and contributing to programs that benefit everyone. And there are always people who work harder than you and have a much higher income than you and pay much more in taxes than you. That's not the point.

[Lemons]

You need to cite your source please.

George Lakey article was in the Institute for Policy Studies. https://ips-dc.org/

Which article are you citing? Please source directly to it. Thanks!

https://ips-dc.org/take-lesson-nordic-c ... nequality/ That'd be cool if someone read it.

[Maggie]

It’s not that conservatives don’t want equality but more you don’t get what I have just because.
I work very hard for what I have, if you want the same you need to put in the same effort, you aren’t entitled to mine.

Common misconception. It's about everyone paying higher taxes and contributing to programs that benefit everyone. And there are always people who work harder than you and have a much higher income than you and pay much more in taxes than you. That's not the point.

So what is the point? I’m firmly agianst higher taxes to fund programs for all. I actually think there should be more strict qualifications to even qualify for public programs. More Limited time frames and drug testing before hand.

[Lemons]

It’s not that conservatives don’t want equality but more you don’t get what I have just because.
I work very hard for what I have, if you want the same you need to put in the same effort, you aren’t entitled to mine.

Common misconception. It's about everyone paying higher taxes and contributing to programs that benefit everyone. And there are always people who work harder than you and have a much higher income than you and pay much more in taxes than you. That's not the point.

So what is the point? I’m firmly agianst higher taxes to fund programs for all. I actually think there should be more strict qualifications to even qualify for public programs. More Limited time frames and drug testing before hand.

The point is you have everyone contributing and you have a successful well run country. You have a well run health care system where everyone receives health care.

The point is people like you would probably benefit from more social programs. Plus we have higher rates of poverty in this country than the European democratic socialist countries which means more of our tax money goes to people who don't contribute anything.

[ReadingRainbow]

What’s your definition of work?


If one guy makes a few phone calls that day... and another guy spends 19 hours building a home so a family can have somewhere to live...

Is it fair that the guy who made a few phone calls made millions that week, and the guy that built a house made $500 that week?

Here's a hard truth that no one wants to accept: you cannot make someone "equal" by forcing another person who has worked for what they have to turn around and just give what they worked for to another person who has done nothing except to sit with their hands out waiting for other people to fill them. That is the definition of slavery, which was abolished many years ago. No one has any right to expect or demand that others provide them with any given standard of living - if they want it, they should work for it, and if they're not willing to work for it, they don't deserve to have it.

[Deleted User 1344]

What you just wrote has absolutely nothing to do with socialism. In the United States if your neighbors had too many kids then we would provide food stamps and subsidized housing. Joe Blow would get unemployment insurance paid by his employer and Jan Doe might qualify for different types of assistance. All with tax dollars. So what do you think would change?

In a country like Norway Joe Blow would have contributed his previous income to his own unemployment insurance. Jane Doe could make a living working at a coffee shop in the Netherlands because the minimum wage is high enough to cover cost of living there.


George Lakey, an American sociologist wrote in an article;



We have to get out of this mindset that we are the greatest country and that a failed real estate builder and a man who failed at every other business he tried can "make America great again"

You need to cite your source please.

George Lakey article was in the Institute for Policy Studies. https://ips-dc.org/

Thank you! I’m going to read there-looks very interesting and informative.

[DSamuels]

You need to rethink your analogy. A person working 19 hours for $500 is making $26 an hour. Pretty decent money. And it takes much longer than 19 hours to build a house.

The other guy? He makes a few phone calls a day and makes millions? Really?

What’s your definition of work?


If one guy makes a few phone calls that day... and another guy spends 19 hours building a home so a family can have somewhere to live...

Is it fair that the guy who made a few phone calls made millions that week, and the guy that built a house made $500 that week?

Here's a hard truth that no one wants to accept: you cannot make someone "equal" by forcing another person who has worked for what they have to turn around and just give what they worked for to another person who has done nothing except to sit with their hands out waiting for other people to fill them. That is the definition of slavery, which was abolished many years ago. No one has any right to expect or demand that others provide them with any given standard of living - if they want it, they should work for it, and if they're not willing to work for it, they don't deserve to have it.

[Momto2boys973]

I’m all for equality.
Socialism, though, isn’t the best option for every society.