We've kind of gone round and round with this and I know I won't change your mind.Slimshandy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 6:03 pmIn the nicest way possible, if their lung function is lower, then they’re been physically harmed by the medical interventions they’ve taken.WellPreserved wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 5:53 pmI don't define a woman based on her chromosomes or external genitalia and am loath to disqualify transgender and intersex women (less than 1% of the population) from all sport based on perceived advantage when the science is not decided.Slimshandy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 4:38 pm
There is a huge difference between someone who feels like a woman, and someone who has the physical body of a woman.
To deny that is to deny science…
To take the fairness aspect away from women means that you’re valuing inclusivity more than you value fairness to women in sports.
"A new study financed by the International Olympic Committee found that transgender female athletes showed greater handgrip strength — an indicator of overall muscle strength — but lower jumping ability, lung function and relative cardiovascular fitness compared with women whose gender was assigned female at birth.
That data, which also compared trans women with men, contradicted a broad claim often made by proponents of rules that bar transgender women from competing in women’s sports. It also led the study’s authors to caution against a rush to expand such policies, which already bar transgender athletes from a handful of Olympic sports.
The study’s most important finding, according to one of its authors, Yannis Pitsiladis, a member of the I.O.C.’s medical and scientific commission, was that, given physiological differences, “Trans women are not biological men.”
The authors cautioned against the presumption of immutable and disproportionate advantages for transgender female athletes who compete in women’s sports, and they advised against “precautionary bans and sport eligibility exclusions” that were not based on sport-specific research."
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/23/worl ... =url-share
I also find this fear mongering about transgender women taking away scholarship opportunities from "real" women absurd. As I posted before, out of 200,000 NCAA women athletes, 50 are women and to date, no transgender woman has received a NCAA athletic scholarship. The fact that parents are in a tizzy about this reflects more about our lack of free education which is a MUCH bigger issue than a few women with a Y chromosome or a couple of women with testes.
Arkansas's restrictive abortion laws makes it clear that they don't care about or protect women. I find the headline laughable.
If their cardiovascular fitness is worse, they’ve been harmed so much that their lifespan will be lessened.
If you’re ok with that so be it, but being that most transgender athletes aren’t undergoing that level of change, it’s irrelevant.
If you are ok with sports being unfair to women, so be it… that’s your own prerogative. But I know for a fact that you can at the least, understand why others might not be ok with it.
I believe transgender women ARE women so obviously I don't feel that allowing transgender women participate in sport is unfair.
Just curious, are you sure all your girl friends have XX chromosomes and/or a vagina? If you found out one of them were intersex or transgender, would you no longer consider them a woman?
