DT praises absentee ballots, condemns mail-in ballots

[jessilin0113]

Florida follows the same process as you would for an absentee ballot for their mail in voting. It's controlled, organized and signed for. They have track of the ballots. It's done on a request basis.

This is in sharp contrast to other areas that simply blanket mail ballots which go to dead people, people no longer at an address, etc. Anyone could grab and return those.

https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politi ... d-to-know/

That may occasionally happen but I doubt it's that often, and just because a ballot is fraudulently returned doesn't mean it will be counted. There is still a process to determine if a a ballot is legitimate. If it can still get through that process, well, I highly doubt it would be in big enough numbers to affect an outcome.

[KnotaDinghy]

I saw a report that MD and VA along with here in PA are struggling to ensure voting can occur. It said that MD is short 14,000 poll workers because many are older people who don’t feel safe working the polls. I typically vote early or by absentee because of my work travel. This year since I’m home due to travel restrictions, I may volunteer. I have risk but not as badly as someone in their late 60s or 70s. I want to help encourage in person voting.

There is a difference and widely mailing out ballots without verifying addresses they are going to - yes poses greater risk of fraud and voter suppression.

Absentee ballot voting is extremely safe and he’s right to encourage it. Plus having absentee ballot voting helps meet CDC guidelines of providing multiple ways someone can vote.

Mass mailing of ballots will make ballot harvesting that much easier.

Certainly, no one in their right mind could possibly think that the Post Office will be able to handle millions of mail in ballots. It's already been a debacle in several primaries where people who requested ballots never got them, people who sent in their ballots found out their vote never was counted (probably because their ballot never made it back to wherever it was supposed to end up).

In WI primaries....

But an APM Reports analysis of voter data from Wisconsin’s April primary shows a far more measurable and consequential effect of mail-in voting — rejected ballots. Slightly more than 23,000 ballots were thrown out, mostly because those voters or their witnesses missed at least one line on a form.

The figure is close to Trump’s 2016 margin of victory in Wisconsin of 22,748 votes. And with voter turnout expected to double from April to more than 3 million in November, a proportionate volume of absentee ballot rejections could be the difference in who wins the swing state — and possibly the presidency.

The analysis shows the difficulty some voters had casting a ballot through the mail, often for the first time.

Then we have....


USPS Delivery Problems Adding to Mail Ballot Woesnymag.com › intelligencer › 2020/07 › usps-delivery-pro...

Jul 15, 2020 - You may be waiting on that mail ballot for a while. ... at least 65,000 absentee or mail-in ballots have been rejected because they ... because they were not sent in envelopes with intelligent barcodes that make tracking easier.

[Francee89]

There is a difference and widely mailing out ballots without verifying addresses they are going to - yes poses greater risk of fraud and voter suppression.

Absentee ballot voting is extremely safe and he’s right to encourage it. Plus having absentee ballot voting helps meet CDC guidelines of providing multiple ways someone can vote.

He seemed to have a problem with Michigan mass mailing out absentee ballot applications all the way back in...May.

[Mommamia]

There is a difference and widely mailing out ballots without verifying addresses they are going to - yes poses greater risk of fraud and voter suppression.

Absentee ballot voting is extremely safe and he’s right to encourage it. Plus having absentee ballot voting helps meet CDC guidelines of providing multiple ways someone can vote.

He seemed to have a problem with Michigan mass mailing out absentee ballot applications all the way back in...May.

Of course he did. By Michigan law, one must request an absentee ballot and fit certain criteria to get one. That lawless hack of a gov thinks she can do whatever the hell she wants. Sadly, the citizens of Michigan let her.

Michigan An “absent voter” means a qualified
and registered elector who meets one or
more of the following relevant
requirements:
(1) on account of physical disability,
cannot without another’s assistance
attend the polls on the day of an
election;
(2) is 60 or older;
(3) is absent or expects to be absent
from the township or city in which s/he
resides during the entire period the
polls are open for voting on the day of
an election. MICH. COMP. LAWS
ANN. § 168.758

Not later than 2 p.m. of the Saturday
immediately before the primary or special
primary, or before the election, an elector
who qualifies to vote as an absent voter,
may apply for an absent voter ballot, either
in person or by mail with the clerk of the
township, city, or village in which the voter
is registered. MICH. COMP. LAWS ANN.
§ 168.759.

[jessilin0113]

There is a difference and widely mailing out ballots without verifying addresses they are going to - yes poses greater risk of fraud and voter suppression.

Absentee ballot voting is extremely safe and he’s right to encourage it. Plus having absentee ballot voting helps meet CDC guidelines of providing multiple ways someone can vote.

He seemed to have a problem with Michigan mass mailing out absentee ballot applications all the way back in...May.

Of course he did. By Michigan law, one must request an absentee ballot and fit certain criteria to get one. That lawless hack of a gov thinks she can do whatever the hell she wants. Sadly, the citizens of Michigan let her.

Michigan An “absent voter” means a qualified
and registered elector who meets one or
more of the following relevant
requirements:
(1) on account of physical disability,
cannot without another’s assistance
attend the polls on the day of an
election;
(2) is 60 or older;
(3) is absent or expects to be absent
from the township or city in which s/he
resides during the entire period the
polls are open for voting on the day of
an election. MICH. COMP. LAWS
ANN. § 168.758

Not later than 2 p.m. of the Saturday
immediately before the primary or special
primary, or before the election, an elector
who qualifies to vote as an absent voter,
may apply for an absent voter ballot, either
in person or by mail with the clerk of the
township, city, or village in which the voter
is registered. MICH. COMP. LAWS ANN.
§ 168.759.

That's what they sent out. Applications.

[Della]

[Francee89]

There is a difference and widely mailing out ballots without verifying addresses they are going to - yes poses greater risk of fraud and voter suppression.

Absentee ballot voting is extremely safe and he’s right to encourage it. Plus having absentee ballot voting helps meet CDC guidelines of providing multiple ways someone can vote.

He seemed to have a problem with Michigan mass mailing out absentee ballot applications all the way back in...May.

Of course he did. By Michigan law, one must request an absentee ballot and fit certain criteria to get one. That lawless hack of a gov thinks she can do whatever the hell she wants. Sadly, the citizens of Michigan let her.

Michigan An “absent voter” means a qualified
and registered elector who meets one or
more of the following relevant
requirements:
(1) on account of physical disability,
cannot without another’s assistance
attend the polls on the day of an
election;
(2) is 60 or older;
(3) is absent or expects to be absent
from the township or city in which s/he
resides during the entire period the
polls are open for voting on the day of
an election. MICH. COMP. LAWS
ANN. § 168.758

Not later than 2 p.m. of the Saturday
immediately before the primary or special
primary, or before the election, an elector
who qualifies to vote as an absent voter,
may apply for an absent voter ballot, either
in person or by mail with the clerk of the
township, city, or village in which the voter
is registered. MICH. COMP. LAWS ANN.
§ 168.759.

First of all, it wasn’t the Governor who sent them, it was the Secretary of State. Secondly, ballot proposal 18-3 passed in 2018, and authorized no-reason absentee voting, so voters don’t need to meet those criteria any longer (https://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-1 ... --,00.html) And lastly, she didn’t send them absentee ballots. She sent them applications for absentee ballots.

[KnotaDinghy]

Maybe because Michigan doesn’t have an election law allowing for that process.

Critical thinking.

There is a difference and widely mailing out ballots without verifying addresses they are going to - yes poses greater risk of fraud and voter suppression.

Absentee ballot voting is extremely safe and he’s right to encourage it. Plus having absentee ballot voting helps meet CDC guidelines of providing multiple ways someone can vote.

He seemed to have a problem with Michigan mass mailing out absentee ballot applications all the way back in...May.

[Francee89]

Maybe because Michigan doesn’t have an election law allowing for that process.

Critical thinking.

There is a difference and widely mailing out ballots without verifying addresses they are going to - yes poses greater risk of fraud and voter suppression.

Absentee ballot voting is extremely safe and he’s right to encourage it. Plus having absentee ballot voting helps meet CDC guidelines of providing multiple ways someone can vote.

He seemed to have a problem with Michigan mass mailing out absentee ballot applications all the way back in...May.

Nothing in Michigan law prohibits sending out absentee applications.

Critical thinking leads me to believe that if he genuinely doesn’t have a problem with absentee voting, it’s ridiculous to whine about the Michigan Secretary of State simply mailing out applications en masse.

[Valentina327]

He seemed to have a problem with Michigan mass mailing out absentee ballot applications all the way back in...May.

Of course he did. By Michigan law, one must request an absentee ballot and fit certain criteria to get one. That lawless hack of a gov thinks she can do whatever the hell she wants. Sadly, the citizens of Michigan let her.

Michigan An “absent voter” means a qualified
and registered elector who meets one or
more of the following relevant
requirements:
(1) on account of physical disability,
cannot without another’s assistance
attend the polls on the day of an
election;
(2) is 60 or older;
(3) is absent or expects to be absent
from the township or city in which s/he
resides during the entire period the
polls are open for voting on the day of
an election. MICH. COMP. LAWS
ANN. § 168.758

Not later than 2 p.m. of the Saturday
immediately before the primary or special
primary, or before the election, an elector
who qualifies to vote as an absent voter,
may apply for an absent voter ballot, either
in person or by mail with the clerk of the
township, city, or village in which the voter
is registered. MICH. COMP. LAWS ANN.
§ 168.759.

First of all, it wasn’t the Governor who sent them, it was the Secretary of State. Secondly, ballot proposal 18-3 passed in 2018, and authorized no-reason absentee voting, so voters don’t need to meet those criteria any longer (https://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-1 ... --,00.html) And lastly, she didn’t send them absentee ballots. She sent them applications for absentee ballots.

The SoS doesn't report up to and take direction from the governor? Is there a separate channel that they report through? How did I not know that all this time? I learn new things on this board every day!