Someone get a counselor out there, stat!

[wildflowers25]

She never apologized in the video. She says "I care about you" in between saying the ignorant statements that racism doesn't exist. No where in the video does it show her "jump behind the truck." You are making up what you want to see. None of that, even what you said was true, is a reason to point a loaded gun at a clearly unarmed woman and child.

After being threatened with a beating, having obscenities spewed at her and other things that never needed to happen. That type of behavior is out of control and disgusting on every level. If that is who you want to defend, it says a lot about you.

Threatened with a beating by a clearly unarmed woman while locked in a car after almost backing over the woman. If she felt threatened, she should have remained in her car and called the police, not got out of the car and pointed a loaded gun at a woman and child. I didn't defend the woman's actions, I said that nothing that she did is punishable by death. Both of them got heated, the difference is only one of them pulled out a deadly weapon on the other, cocked it, and pointed it at their head.

Or the woman spewing filth and threats could have not followed her, and not continued to threaten her with a beating which is absolutely not okay and yes, everything you wrote was a defense of her despicable actions. The way she behaved, aggressive and making threats of bodily harm on a video recording of all things which apparently is okay considering she is not facing charges, following that woman to her car, frankly acting like a lunatic, she should expect it won't always go her way. People do have a right to defend themselves against bodily harm and just because she might not have been armed doesn't mean she wasn't dangerous. Anyone stupid enough to threaten to "beat someone's ass" in a parking lot better be ready to accept whatever comes next. She didn't think of that though because this was all about her 15 minutes of fame. Neither come off all that well in this but the instigator is the one screaming victim and she is not that at all. She needs to be facing charges as well.

[Lemons]

She did apologize and she also told the women that she cared about them. That’s when the woman jumped behind the vehicle to prevent them from backing out and it sounded to me that she also hit their vehicle. So apparently when you apologize it escalates things.
People are nuts. It’s getting worse. For my safety I think I’ll keep to myself and not interact with strangers and hope I don’t accidentally bump someone. Because apparently bumping people is racist now.

She never apologized in the video. She says "I care about you" in between saying the ignorant statements that racism doesn't exist. No where in the video does it show her "jump behind the truck." You are making up what you want to see. None of that, even what you said was true, is a reason to point a loaded gun at a clearly unarmed woman and child.

After being threatened with a beating, having obscenities spewed at her and other things that never needed to happen. That type of behavior is out of control and disgusting on every level. If that is who you want to defend, it says a lot about you.

She's not defending anyone. That's the problem. When someone points out that there was no reason for her to leave her car and go after the woman with a gun, people assume you're ok with what the other woman did. Not true.

People in this country seemed shocked that you can't go around aiming guns in people's faces when you feel the slightest bit threatened.

[Frau Holle]

She never apologized in the video. She says "I care about you" in between saying the ignorant statements that racism doesn't exist. No where in the video does it show her "jump behind the truck." You are making up what you want to see. None of that, even what you said was true, is a reason to point a loaded gun at a clearly unarmed woman and child.

After being threatened with a beating, having obscenities spewed at her and other things that never needed to happen. That type of behavior is out of control and disgusting on every level. If that is who you want to defend, it says a lot about you.

She's not defending anyone. That's the problem. When someone points out that there was no reason for her to leave her car and go after the woman with a gun, people assume you're ok with what the other woman did. Not true.

People in this country seemed shocked that you can't go around aiming guns in people's faces when you feel the slightest bit threatened.

Isn’t that when you should pull out self protection?
When you are being threatened?

[Della]

After being threatened with a beating, having obscenities spewed at her and other things that never needed to happen. That type of behavior is out of control and disgusting on every level. If that is who you want to defend, it says a lot about you.

Threatened with a beating by a clearly unarmed woman while locked in a car after almost backing over the woman. If she felt threatened, she should have remained in her car and called the police, not got out of the car and pointed a loaded gun at a woman and child. I didn't defend the woman's actions, I said that nothing that she did is punishable by death. Both of them got heated, the difference is only one of them pulled out a deadly weapon on the other, cocked it, and pointed it at their head.

Or the woman spewing filth and threats could have not followed her, and not continued to threaten her with a beating which is absolutely not okay and yes, everything you wrote was a defense of her despicable actions. The way she behaved, aggressive and making threats of bodily harm on a video recording of all things which apparently is okay considering she is not facing charges, following that woman to her car, frankly acting like a lunatic, she should expect it won't always go her way. People do have a right to defend themselves against bodily harm and just because she might not have been armed doesn't mean she wasn't dangerous. Anyone stupid enough to threaten to "beat someone's ass" in a parking lot better be ready to accept whatever comes next. She didn't think of that though because this was all about her 15 minutes of fame. Neither come off all that well in this but the instigator is the one screaming victim and she is not that at all. She needs to be facing charges as well.

What charges do you propose?

[WellPreserved]

NPR did a segment on CAHOOTS - a program in Eugene, Oregon where medics and counselors take a lot of calls that traditionally only police take. It's been in operation for 30 years. It was really interesting to see how a community could reimagine response to mental illness/suicide, drug overdose, etc.

https://www.northcountrypublicradio.org ... ice-reform

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/05/us/cahoo ... index.html

[BionicBunny]

I have no problem interacting with anyone. If i bump anyone i apologize and move on. That's all this moron had to do instead of escalating shit. I've only had one real problem with a black man- my dumb ass old neighbor making advances on me knowing I was married at the time. So I pushed him away, told him never touch me again, and that ended that. These people were just being ignorant.

She did apologize and she also told the women that she cared about them. That’s when the woman jumped behind the vehicle to prevent them from backing out and it sounded to me that she also hit their vehicle. So apparently when you apologize it escalates things.
People are nuts. It’s getting worse. For my safety I think I’ll keep to myself and not interact with strangers and hope I don’t accidentally bump someone. Because apparently bumping people is racist now.

She never apologized in the video. She says "I care about you" in between saying the ignorant statements that racism doesn't exist. No where in the video does it show her "jump behind the truck." You are making up what you want to see. None of that, even what you said was true, is a reason to point a loaded gun at a clearly unarmed woman and child.

She did get behind the vehicle and the woman in the van may not have apologized the way you wanted her to but she says I’m sorry but the woman doesn’t want an apology so she is yelling over her. The woman wants a confrontation. Not only did she get behind the van but she also hit their van, which is why they got out.

[Lemons]

After being threatened with a beating, having obscenities spewed at her and other things that never needed to happen. That type of behavior is out of control and disgusting on every level. If that is who you want to defend, it says a lot about you.

She's not defending anyone. That's the problem. When someone points out that there was no reason for her to leave her car and go after the woman with a gun, people assume you're ok with what the other woman did. Not true.

People in this country seemed shocked that you can't go around aiming guns in people's faces when you feel the slightest bit threatened.

Isn’t that when you should pull out self protection?
When you are being threatened?

Once safely in the car with her husband, a reasonable person would no longer feel threatened and they certainly wouldn't leave the safety of the car to confront the person who was threatening to beat her up.

There's a case in Connecticut that explains it pretty well. https://ccwsafe.com/news/case-of-the-we ... aggressor-

Read the whole thing, but here's one paragraph:

Self-Defense Fails If Defender Becomes Aggressor

The failure of Sumpter’s claim of self-defense is found in the element of Innocence. How can that be, you might ask, given that it’s uncontested that the three aggressors attacked HIM. Because, as the media itself reports: “After being assaulted inside the coffee shop, Sumpter ran outside and stabbed one of the men.”

That is a problem. In the eyes of the law what we have here is not a single fight in which Sumpter defended himself against the attack of the three aggressors. That fight did happen, but it also ended, when the aggressors left the coffee shop.

When Sumpter then pursued them and stabbed them, he became the aggressor in a second fight. As the aggressor in this second fight he lost the element of innocence, and thus lost self-defense as a justification for his stabbing one of the aggressors.

Similar in that the "defender" got to the safety of her car and was in the process of driving off. The woman and her daughter didn't have a weapon and couldn't get into the car. The defender became the aggressor when she left her car and pointed a gun in the woman's face.

Seriously, what do people think the woman and her daughter were capable of once the man and woman were in their car?

[Olioxenfree]

She did apologize and she also told the women that she cared about them. That’s when the woman jumped behind the vehicle to prevent them from backing out and it sounded to me that she also hit their vehicle. So apparently when you apologize it escalates things.
People are nuts. It’s getting worse. For my safety I think I’ll keep to myself and not interact with strangers and hope I don’t accidentally bump someone. Because apparently bumping people is racist now.

She never apologized in the video. She says "I care about you" in between saying the ignorant statements that racism doesn't exist. No where in the video does it show her "jump behind the truck." You are making up what you want to see. None of that, even what you said was true, is a reason to point a loaded gun at a clearly unarmed woman and child.

She did get behind the vehicle and the woman in the van may not have apologized the way you wanted her to but she says I’m sorry but the woman doesn’t want an apology so she is yelling over her. The woman wants a confrontation. Not only did she get behind the van but she also hit their van, which is why they got out.

Nowhere in that video does it show her jumping behind the van. "I'm sorry someone made you feel that way" is not the same as "I'm sorry for bumping you", she never apologizes. Slapping someone's car when they are about to hit you is not a reason to shoot someone in the face in front of their child. You can keep grasping as much as you want, it won't work.

[BionicBunny]

She never apologized in the video. She says "I care about you" in between saying the ignorant statements that racism doesn't exist. No where in the video does it show her "jump behind the truck." You are making up what you want to see. None of that, even what you said was true, is a reason to point a loaded gun at a clearly unarmed woman and child.

She did get behind the vehicle and the woman in the van may not have apologized the way you wanted her to but she says I’m sorry but the woman doesn’t want an apology so she is yelling over her. The woman wants a confrontation. Not only did she get behind the van but she also hit their van, which is why they got out.

Nowhere in that video does it show her jumping behind the van. "I'm sorry someone made you feel that way" is not the same as "I'm sorry for bumping you", she never apologizes. Slapping someone's car when they are about to hit you is not a reason to shoot someone in the face in front of their child. You can keep grasping as much as you want, it won't work.

Are you blind? I just showed you where she got behind their van and at that moment she hit the van.

[Olioxenfree]

She did get behind the vehicle and the woman in the van may not have apologized the way you wanted her to but she says I’m sorry but the woman doesn’t want an apology so she is yelling over her. The woman wants a confrontation. Not only did she get behind the van but she also hit their van, which is why they got out.

Nowhere in that video does it show her jumping behind the van. "I'm sorry someone made you feel that way" is not the same as "I'm sorry for bumping you", she never apologizes. Slapping someone's car when they are about to hit you is not a reason to shoot someone in the face in front of their child. You can keep grasping as much as you want, it won't work.

Are you blind? I just showed you where she got behind their van and at that moment she hit the van.

You don't need to use medical conditions to insult me. Nowhere in the video does it show her jumping behind the van. The camera is very unsteady until it shows her behind the van. It is unclear if she stood behind it or if they backed up into her. Either way, I'll say it again, someone slapping your car when you almost back over them is not a reason to shoot someone in the face.