BLM Mural coming to 5th Avenue

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Mr.Smile wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:59 pm
Momto2boys973 wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:22 pm Meh. Trump Tower is an eyesore too. So ostentatious. At least is not as tacky and middle age crisis as his Vegas hotel, lol. So it’s not like it would make it worse.
Mr.Smile wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:39 pm Not going to lie, that neon yellow is such an eyesore. renaming Street signs looks a lot classier if you insist on forcing your beliefs down other people's throats. I think its weird that democrats are normalizing spending tax payer dollars on political ads.

Imagine the outcry if republicans did this with a pro life/anti abortion message on a public street.
It looks like every other skyscraper in NYC, and his hotel fits right in to the rest of "ostenatious" building in vegas. if you're saying modern architecture is ugly in general, I agree.

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Still not as ugly as highlighter yellow streets and not payed for with tax dollars.
Have you been inside it? Tacky as f**k.
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WellPreserved wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:22 pm
AZLizardLady wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:57 pm Why not an actual mural on an approved wall or building that isn't going to be driven over, snow and rain ruining the design of over the years (I've been to NYC multiple times and many of the streets are in dire need of repaving and road work), and that won't eventually wear down due to foot and car traffic? That people can actually enjoy seeing vs walking/driving over for a very short amount of time?

Some murals are absolutely beautiful and insane works of art. THIS will not do what a mural on a wall or building could do IMO.

I get the point, however, if it's being done in front of Trump Tower as many still believe the man is a racist.

I suppose whatever drives them....
I think the temporary nature of the painting on the street gives hope that the movement will not last forever in that there will be substantial change by the time that paint is worn through.
But you know? What about something more permanent then? Their movement shouldn't be seen as temporary and while change is most definitely a desired outcome and something the majority of Americans wish to see, why not a more definitive, constant reminder to keep the momentum going?
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Lemons wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:25 pm
Mr.Smile wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:59 pm
Momto2boys973 wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:22 pm Meh. Trump Tower is an eyesore too. So ostentatious. At least is not as tacky and middle age crisis as his Vegas hotel, lol. So it’s not like it would make it worse.

It looks like every other skyscraper in NYC, and his hotel fits right in to the rest of "ostenatious" building in vegas. if you're saying modern architecture is ugly in general, I agree.

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Still not as ugly as highlighter yellow streets and not payed for with tax dollars.
Have you been inside it? Tacky as f**k.
No, but again, its private property paid for with private funds, no one has to enter. not a public tax payer funded street everyone has to use.
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AZLizardLady wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:13 pm
WellPreserved wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:22 pm
AZLizardLady wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:57 pm Why not an actual mural on an approved wall or building that isn't going to be driven over, snow and rain ruining the design of over the years (I've been to NYC multiple times and many of the streets are in dire need of repaving and road work), and that won't eventually wear down due to foot and car traffic? That people can actually enjoy seeing vs walking/driving over for a very short amount of time?

Some murals are absolutely beautiful and insane works of art. THIS will not do what a mural on a wall or building could do IMO.

I get the point, however, if it's being done in front of Trump Tower as many still believe the man is a racist.

I suppose whatever drives them....
I think the temporary nature of the painting on the street gives hope that the movement will not last forever in that there will be substantial change by the time that paint is worn through.
But you know? What about something more permanent then? Their movement shouldn't be seen as temporary and while change is most definitely a desired outcome and something the majority of Americans wish to see, why not a more definitive, constant reminder to keep the momentum going?
dems don't give a shit about BLM, they're just trying to get black people riled up to vote for "you ain't black" Biden. Biden has low enthusiasm and the majority of Americans think he has dementia. I know polls are not great for Trump but they're not great for Biden either. that was the purpose of this whole thing, bring trump down and Biden up.

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Mr.Smile wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:53 am
AZLizardLady wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:13 pm
WellPreserved wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:22 pm

I think the temporary nature of the painting on the street gives hope that the movement will not last forever in that there will be substantial change by the time that paint is worn through.
But you know? What about something more permanent then? Their movement shouldn't be seen as temporary and while change is most definitely a desired outcome and something the majority of Americans wish to see, why not a more definitive, constant reminder to keep the momentum going?
dems don't give a shit about BLM, they're just trying to get black people riled up to vote for "you ain't black" Biden. Biden has low enthusiasm and the majority of Americans think he has dementia. I know polls are not great for Trump but they're not great for Biden either. that was the purpose of this whole thing, bring trump down and Biden up.

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Trump riles up his base and doesn’t care about them either.

You’ve seemed pretty occupied with Black people the past few days.
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If the monuments were to memorialize demolishing slavery why were the statues of confederate leaders and not union ones?
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Snicker wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:49 amIdiotic!
You mean kinda like it was a hundred years ago when the remnants of the confederacy put up memorials?
Streets painted like this is idiotic. Memorials to represent us demolishing slavery and starting civil rights is good. Memorializing a terrorist organization is idiotic
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SouthernIslander wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:47 am
Mr.Smile wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:53 am
AZLizardLady wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:13 pm

But you know? What about something more permanent then? Their movement shouldn't be seen as temporary and while change is most definitely a desired outcome and something the majority of Americans wish to see, why not a more definitive, constant reminder to keep the momentum going?
dems don't give a shit about BLM, they're just trying to get black people riled up to vote for "you ain't black" Biden. Biden has low enthusiasm and the majority of Americans think he has dementia. I know polls are not great for Trump but they're not great for Biden either. that was the purpose of this whole thing, bring trump down and Biden up.

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Trump riles up his base and doesn’t care about them either.

You’ve seemed pretty occupied with Black people the past few days.
NO, BLM has made themselves the center of attention in every aspect of life right now. I am Discussing the current news cycle.
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Mr.Smile wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:32 pm
SouthernIslander wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:47 am
Mr.Smile wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:53 am

dems don't give a shit about BLM, they're just trying to get black people riled up to vote for "you ain't black" Biden. Biden has low enthusiasm and the majority of Americans think he has dementia. I know polls are not great for Trump but they're not great for Biden either. that was the purpose of this whole thing, bring trump down and Biden up.

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Trump riles up his base and doesn’t care about them either.

You’ve seemed pretty occupied with Black people the past few days.
NO, BLM has made themselves the center of attention in every aspect of life right now. I am Discussing the current news cycle.


And a Trump has too but yet people will still vote him too.
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AZLizardLady wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:13 pm
WellPreserved wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:22 pm
AZLizardLady wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:57 pm Why not an actual mural on an approved wall or building that isn't going to be driven over, snow and rain ruining the design of over the years (I've been to NYC multiple times and many of the streets are in dire need of repaving and road work), and that won't eventually wear down due to foot and car traffic? That people can actually enjoy seeing vs walking/driving over for a very short amount of time?

Some murals are absolutely beautiful and insane works of art. THIS will not do what a mural on a wall or building could do IMO.

I get the point, however, if it's being done in front of Trump Tower as many still believe the man is a racist.

I suppose whatever drives them....
I think the temporary nature of the painting on the street gives hope that the movement will not last forever in that there will be substantial change by the time that paint is worn through.
But you know? What about something more permanent then? Their movement shouldn't be seen as temporary and while change is most definitely a desired outcome and something the majority of Americans wish to see, why not a more definitive, constant reminder to keep the momentum going?
It doesn't have to be an "either/or". Painting the street (city property) was immediate, inexpensive and a powerful statement of support for BLM by each city. In a sense they are permanent through pictures.

A more permanent mural on a building is a long of process of zoning, property owner agreement, selection of artist, and then the creation of the mural as well. I am sure in the upcoming months, we will see permanent murals but I also feel that making a visual statement in the moment is important.
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SouthernIslander wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:37 pm
Mr.Smile wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:32 pm
SouthernIslander wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:47 am

Trump riles up his base and doesn’t care about them either.

You’ve seemed pretty occupied with Black people the past few days.
NO, BLM has made themselves the center of attention in every aspect of life right now. I am Discussing the current news cycle.


And a Trump has too but yet people will still vote him too.
Trump is the president of the USA, of course he's going to be in the news cycle and I won't criticize you for talking about him.

Here's the difference, I dont think republicans deny that their representatives are politically motivated. But democrats frequently do deny that, more importantly democrats refuse to acknowledge that the vast majority of MSM is biased and also has a political agenda. if everyone could acknowledge that, its would be amazing. unfortunately, the vast majority of people participating in BLM protests really think democrats in power care.

The problem I have with this is this movement is its causing permanent racial discord in this country from both sides and its not just an organic grassroots movement, its being cultivated by those in positions of power through propaganda and funding. this petty divisive move to paint BLM on the street in front of trump tower and in DC is a perfect example of how this is just a game to democrats.

I wish people in this movement would check their emotions and think rationally for a moment

one- their original claim for anger was racially profiled police brutality- ok is there evidence the cop who murdered george floyd was motivated by race? no, it's just assumed ok, so where is this idea coming form? a big part is the facts that those in power discuss. including only highlighting stories involving POC as victims and police as white. CNN literally lightened george zimmerman's skin to make viewers think he was white. the media barely covers cases where victims are white or cops are POC.

is there still reason to be angry he was killed by those who should protect us? yes. So, justice would be him being charged, and he was. so why did the arson, looting and protests continue?

two- grievances with police brutality evolved to general discontent in black communities with multiple issues, who are the majority of elected officials in their communities? they're democrats. why don't they start by holding their own elected officials accountable? some of these people have been in office for decades and they keep voting the min even when they have failed them. trump has little control over local issues, these protesters are barking up the wrong tree, but of course the mayors, governors and congress people don't want them to know that!

third, anger does not excuse the rioting, looting and violence that has erupted from all of this and the demand list is unreasonable, most people I know are pissed off and lost all sympathy they originally had once this was no longer about police reform (democrats rejected the republicans police reform measures)and became a socialist Marxist movement.

so I am disgusted that democrats and the media are willing to sow racial discord, chaos and weaken our nation just to try to score political points with no real intention of doing anything more than painting murals and pressuring corporations to virtue signal.
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