When it comes to gun control, look up north to Canada. Canada has significant gun control compared to the U.S. and it's getting stricter. The odd thing is that almost 100% of gun crime in Canada is committed by criminals with illegal guns to begin with or other people with illegal guns because they couldn't get a permit.SouthernIslander wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:44 pmIDK how much of an impact stricter gun laws would make since the streets tends to move differently but gun violence is a problem in LA and MS.DSamuels wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:43 pmThere are a couple of things I noticed in the article. It mentions homicide rates, but nowhere in the article does it mention guns. I am guessing the homicide rate includes all methods, not just guns.Lemons wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:11 pm A lot of focus on Chicago murders. But there are eight states that had more murders per 100,000 people than Illinois in 2017.
Statistics from 2017 calculated the amount of murders per 100,000 population in each state. Here are the top ten states where the most murders happened based on their populations -
Louisiana 14.4 per 100,000 people
Alabama 12.9
Mississippi 12.7
Missouri 11.3
Alaska 10.6
Maryland 10.2
Arkansas 9.8
South Carolina 9.3
Illinois 9
Tennessee 8.8
Oklahoma 8.5
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state ... -by-state/
The highest murder rates are in republican run states with the least stringent gun control. Using Chicago as an example of gun control not working is ridiculous.
Second, if you look at the number of homicides for the states while Illinois is 9th on the list it had over 1,100 homicides in 2017. The number 1 state had 653 or almost half the number of homicides.
We have lower numbers because we don’t have as many people as say....Chicago, so in order to rank it nationally it has to be done per capita..which if fair IMO.
Murder rate by state
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I disagree with Lemons on just about everything concerning the south but this is fair and I am not sure what initiated this post. But, people do tend to use Chicago to make ignorant comments about Black people (Black on Black crime) or complain about Obama who couldn’t single handily fix it.DSamuels wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:45 amBut the OP is using that to downplay the violence and killings in Chicago. That’s why I pointed out that even with a lower per capital rate Illinois still has far more overall. I know the population skews it somewhat.SouthernIslander wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:44 pmIDK how much of an impact stricter gun laws would make since the streets tends to move differently but gun violence is a problem in LA and MS.DSamuels wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:43 pm
There are a couple of things I noticed in the article. It mentions homicide rates, but nowhere in the article does it mention guns. I am guessing the homicide rate includes all methods, not just guns.
Second, if you look at the number of homicides for the states while Illinois is 9th on the list it had over 1,100 homicides in 2017. The number 1 state had 653 or almost half the number of homicides.
We have lower numbers because we don’t have as many people as say....Chicago, so in order to rank it nationally it has to be done per capita..which if fair IMO.
So it’s not so much downplaying it. It has always come off ignorant/unfair to me because we have a higher crime rate with politicians who can’t wave a wand and fix it either.
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Same here, that’s why I am not sure if stricter gun laws would impact the crime in the areas listed in the article. People tend not to commit murders with legally registered weapons but we do need stricter laws, especially when it comes to negligence.Linda_Runs wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:41 amWhen it comes to gun control, look up north to Canada. Canada has significant gun control compared to the U.S. and it's getting stricter. The odd thing is that almost 100% of gun crime in Canada is committed by criminals with illegal guns to begin with or other people with illegal guns because they couldn't get a permit.SouthernIslander wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:44 pmIDK how much of an impact stricter gun laws would make since the streets tends to move differently but gun violence is a problem in LA and MS.DSamuels wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:43 pm
There are a couple of things I noticed in the article. It mentions homicide rates, but nowhere in the article does it mention guns. I am guessing the homicide rate includes all methods, not just guns.
Second, if you look at the number of homicides for the states while Illinois is 9th on the list it had over 1,100 homicides in 2017. The number 1 state had 653 or almost half the number of homicides.
We have lower numbers because we don’t have as many people as say....Chicago, so in order to rank it nationally it has to be done per capita..which if fair IMO.
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I put this up because someone was posting that the violence is because of “blue states” and democratic states. Not true. It’s actually Republican states with the least restrictive laws on gun ownership that have more gun violence.SouthernIslander wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:23 amI disagree with Lemons on just about everything concerning the south but this is fair and I am not sure what initiated this post. But, people do tend to use Chicago to make ignorant comments about Black people (Black on Black crime) or complain about Obama who couldn’t single handily fix it.DSamuels wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:45 amBut the OP is using that to downplay the violence and killings in Chicago. That’s why I pointed out that even with a lower per capital rate Illinois still has far more overall. I know the population skews it somewhat.SouthernIslander wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:44 pm
IDK how much of an impact stricter gun laws would make since the streets tends to move differently but gun violence is a problem in LA and MS.
We have lower numbers because we don’t have as many people as say....Chicago, so in order to rank it nationally it has to be done per capita..which if fair IMO.
So it’s not so much downplaying it. It has always come off ignorant/unfair to me because we have a higher crime rate with politicians who can’t wave a wand and fix it either.
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Which thread had people blaming Democratic states? I couldn’t find it.Lemons wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:32 pmI put this up because someone was posting that the violence is because of “blue states” and democratic states. Not true. It’s actually Republican states with the least restrictive laws on gun ownership that have more gun violence.SouthernIslander wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:23 amI disagree with Lemons on just about everything concerning the south but this is fair and I am not sure what initiated this post. But, people do tend to use Chicago to make ignorant comments about Black people (Black on Black crime) or complain about Obama who couldn’t single handily fix it.
So it’s not so much downplaying it. It has always come off ignorant/unfair to me because we have a higher crime rate with politicians who can’t wave a wand and fix it either.
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But your article is about the homicide rate and doesn’t mention guns at all. So it doesn’t show what you are claiming.Lemons wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:32 pmI put this up because someone was posting that the violence is because of “blue states” and democratic states. Not true. It’s actually Republican states with the least restrictive laws on gun ownership that have more gun violence.SouthernIslander wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:23 amI disagree with Lemons on just about everything concerning the south but this is fair and I am not sure what initiated this post. But, people do tend to use Chicago to make ignorant comments about Black people (Black on Black crime) or complain about Obama who couldn’t single handily fix it.
So it’s not so much downplaying it. It has always come off ignorant/unfair to me because we have a higher crime rate with politicians who can’t wave a wand and fix it either.
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The statistics are pretty much the same whichever way you look at it. Violent crimes are more prevalent in red states and so is gun violence violence and gun murder rates. Have you found information that claims differently?DSamuels wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:55 amBut your article is about the homicide rate and doesn’t mention guns at all. So it doesn’t show what you are claiming.Lemons wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:32 pmI put this up because someone was posting that the violence is because of “blue states” and democratic states. Not true. It’s actually Republican states with the least restrictive laws on gun ownership that have more gun violence.SouthernIslander wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:23 am
I disagree with Lemons on just about everything concerning the south but this is fair and I am not sure what initiated this post. But, people do tend to use Chicago to make ignorant comments about Black people (Black on Black crime) or complain about Obama who couldn’t single handily fix it.
So it’s not so much downplaying it. It has always come off ignorant/unfair to me because we have a higher crime rate with politicians who can’t wave a wand and fix it either.
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Jackson, Baton Rouge and NOLA are majority Black cities that are notoriously Blue. The issue with violence has more to do with poverty, lack of educational resources, fall out from the racial past and environment that everyone seems to love shaming us for.Lemons wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:33 amThe statistics are pretty much the same whichever way you look at it. Violent crimes are more prevalent in red states and so is gun violence violence and gun murder rates. Have you found information that claims differently?
The streets will always have a means to bypass gun laws and it won’t fix the root of the problem that facilitates a survival of the fittest environment.
It’s not as simple as these are Republican states with lenient gun laws.
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Your article is about homicide, not gun violence or gun murder rates. You’re comparing vegan meals to filet mignon.Lemons wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:33 amThe statistics are pretty much the same whichever way you look at it. Violent crimes are more prevalent in red states and so is gun violence violence and gun murder rates. Have you found information that claims differently?
Large cities in states tend to be blue and also skew results.
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